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[RenaiHunter]

I want first A side centers - Riho, Masaki, Ayumi

Second A side centers - Mizuki, Zukki, Sakura

 

I know most of you might disagree, but I find those combos to be the best right now   And I think the 12kies need to work just a little bit more before becoming centers.

 

That doesn't mean the other members should have only one autotuned letter tho.

[MocchiMooch]

^^Nobody would be getting schooled even if they didn't already know. There's so many flaws in that essay I thought my brain was going to melt.

Also, Ai no Gundan > Wagamama and anyone who disagrees can fight me irl

I certainly agree with you. At the time when the songs came out, I was all about Wagamama because of the shock factor... but in terms of replay value, it's too dramatic to constantly listen to. Ai no Gundan is definitely the gem of the modern Momusu. The dance is complex, the song is unique, the composition is a cute blend of EDM and classic pop, and I think it should be the model that they go for instead of the showy, cold, formulaic stuff like Tiki Bun and Seishun.

[the rose garden]

Also, Ai no Gundan > Wagamama and anyone who disagrees can fight me irl

 

Preach it! 

[moonxdark'17]

I always loved Ai no Gundan more! In fact, it might be my favorite song of current Momusu.

I definitely agree that the songs should follow that style more. It's fun and cute while still maintaining the EDM genre. Although I liked Seishun Kozou, a song like Ai no Gundan is much better as a main A-side.

[sukibeam]

Ai no Gundan > Wagamama and anyone who disagrees can fight me irl

 

While I like both, I actually prefer Wagamama by a long stretch. So, I guess I'll meet you out back?

[Paramorning]

I think that the main difference between Ai no Gundan and the other EDM a-sides we've been getting lately is that Ai no Gundan had lots of character, and lots to make it unique. I liked Tiki Bun, Seishun Kozou and Password is 0 but honestly they sound like someone just jumbled up the arrangement and presented them as different songs. 

 

It also helped that Ai no Gundan really made the most out of formation dance. Recent dances use it but don't utilize it.

[Juandalyn]

Finally some Ai no Gundan love! I mean both Wagamama and Ai no Gundan are probably the best that came out of EDM-Musume, but I always felt AnG never got enough love.

 

That dance break. The part with Sayumi after that. The "Ai no - Ai no - Ai no Gundan!!" during the last chorus.

Even the PV was good enough Not innovative, but pretty to look at. (Erina hitting the tree - never forget.)

(Except for the lack of Harunan. That was sad.)

[minaeshi]

I preferred Ai no Gundan too lmao. 

 

For this single i want the to completely experiment with the centers and back row girls tbh. I would like to see them switch up the formations because it's become very repetitive with Riho, Ayu, Sakura, Maa and Mizu at the front and Duu, Haruna, Eri and Kanon at the back. I believe in the idea of throwing people into the deep end so that they come out stronger, so if I had the change to put them into formations I would probably have it like this. 

 

First A-Side (the one they would most likely promote) (most likely the "cool" edm song) 

 

Duu - Mizuki - Haruna - Akane

Sakura - Masaki - Eripon - Miki

       Ogata - Kanon - Maria 

               Riho - Ayumi

 

Second A-Side (the yuugure/tokisora song)

Ogata - Maria - Riho - Eripon - Ayumi  

 Masaki - Haruna - Akane - Kanon

      Duu - Sakura - Mizuki - Miki

 

Third A-Side (OR A GODDAMN B-SIDE COME ON H!P) (Mizuki + 12ki center)

 

Masaki - Duu - Riho - Mizuki - Kanon - Ayumi - Sakura

     Erina - Akane - Maria - Ogata - Miki - Haruna

[RenaiHunter]

I like Ai no Gundan, but I don't know if it's because of the PV it left me with a cheap EDM factor. I've heard it for the first time in the PV preview on Harosute and those plastic trees and flowers still haunt me. Even if it's not just about them I still can hear the "cheap" edm sounds for some reason. It could also be the horrid black pants. As I said the PV did not left me a good impression.

[AngelAndz]

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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I have to disagree with you. Sure Sakura has been at the front a few times, but not all the time, and only recently did she get to be the main center in a song. I would love for the other girls to get a spotlight in one of the songs for the single, but I still would like to see another song with Sakura as main center that's longer than Ima Koko Kara and maybe in a slightly different style so that she has more of chance to prove that she deserves to take on the role of main center in a single every now and then

Also I think with the group being bigger again it would be cool to bring back the B-side songs I think the possible B-Side units could be this:

(Spoilered because it's a long list)

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HoneyPon (Haruna and Mizuki) - This would be the duo to temporarily replace Team Pink, as I think Maria is a bit too young to be singing Team Pink style songs just yet

Leader Sub Leader unit - I think this would be very interesting to listen to

Mizuki and Sakura unit along with Erina and Ayumi as rappers - After their performance on the GRADATION tour I'd like to hear more from these girls as a unit

MaaDuu unit - because we all need a MaaDuu song on a single

MaaSaku unit - After their recent performance at Budokan this has to happen

MaaDuuSaku - I think this unit would be very cute especially if they do songs that are slightly like Buono style songs

DuuSaku - Don't ask me why, but I kind of want to see what this would be like

KanoSaku - Their recent duets on Zukki's radio show made me like the idea of this

Team Purple Daisuki - Because I think Sakura and Miki would sound cute together as a duo

Mizuki and Eripon and Haruna and Ayumi as Senior Unit 1

Riho and Kanon and Sakura and Ogata as Senior Unit 2

Maachan and Kudo and Miki and Maria and Akane as the Junior unit

Team Orange Duo

Team 11-12ki unit - They would sing lots of cute songs and generally win people over with adorableness

There are other possible units, but it would take me forever to write them, and I think that you guys may have your own ideas for possible B-side units that may be slightly better than what I've suggested

[rinafest'19]

I've always seen Riho and Sakura as the legit leads. Mostly Mizuki and sometimes Ayumi/Masaki (and formely Sayu) were like the 3rd lead. Sakura has been a lead singer ever since her 3rd single.

 

I think there will be a song with good line distribution this single so we can hear 12th gen's voices. Maybe MM is doing what ANGERME did with Rikako and Maho and waiting a single to give them any lines.

[taylorniw]

12th gen is gonna follow the same formula as all the others. Someone will get pushed at first, then maybe another girl a bit after and the other two will be backup dancers. MM is the only H!P group to not really do anything interesting or even with line distribution in a long time and there's no reason to believe it'll change now.

I consider Mizuki just as much a lead as Sakura and Riho.

[Ares13]

Anyway .. who decides these line distribution .. ?
In the past .. i could just put everything on Tsunku .. but now? if Tsunku is not producing it ..

[Juandalyn]

Management in general. I don't even think Tsunku was the one to decide it before his health got worse.

 

Of course there's this legend of them letting all girls record the whole song and then decide on who sounds the best. But I doubt that.

[Ohasumi]

Hmmm I think Riho's the definite center in formation and lines. Sakura and Mizuki come second. Then Daishi, Maachan, and Duu are catching up.

[❤-u-den]

12th gen is gonna follow the same formula as all the others. Someone will get pushed at first, then maybe another girl a bit after and the other two will be backup dancers. MM is the only H!P group to not really do anything interesting or even with line distribution in a long time and there's no reason to believe it'll change now.

 

This. MM Management seems to genuinely hate taking any kind of risk, which is a shame when they've got the largest repertoire of songs and the largest amount of girls to play around with.

[taylorniw]

Management in general. I don't even think Tsunku was the one to decide it before his health got worse.
 
Of course there's this legend of them letting all girls record the whole song and then decide on who sounds the best. But I doubt that.

They have actually said that the have everyone record the song in full (whether it's still done this way, who knows). There's just no way they're deciding it on who sounds the best lol.

[Happy Now?]

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But really, I think they base it on who's the best fit for H!P's sound. Not necessarily who sounds best, but who sounds the most like what they want their music to sound like. However, their decisions are sometimes questionable...

 

But, anyway, for those interested, here's an example of Maimi, Chisato, and Airi recording Tsugi no Kado wo Magare [starting at 13:04]:

 

 

I think only harmonies are decided beforehand, because it's an extra part for the girls to learn. 

 

Also I know in the example I gave it's the three leads, but you can see in Pyoko Pyoko's Rec.Ver. MV that all the girls do it. 

 

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[milcah-chan]

^Now that I watched the video again, they do sing all of the lyrics when you look at it closely. I never noticed it before since they already edited it as to who sings.

[the rose garden]

Yeah, but you can't convince me Erina or Zukki or Duu or even Harunan haven't sounded cooler or better than Mizuki and Co singing certain lines at certain times Management will always have their favourites, regardless of popularity.