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[anonymous]

Bittorrent is the best for short term file distribution, but not so great at longer term file sharing. I've seen a lot of older stuff popping up on youtube, that are long gone from trackers like this, so someone somewhere must have the originals. Do any of the other P2P networks have fairly readily available older subs? Things like utaban, Matthew's BHTV, heyheyhey, with MM and other guests.

[juicytwos]

You can try other trackers...I did find a big collection of subbed Ayaka's suprise english lesson clips on thepirebay a while ago. Took me forever to finish but it happened eventually. You can also try searching through IRC. Thats how I got started with Morning Musume a long time ago.

Oh and WinMX is worth a try (similar to limewire and Kazaa).

[hu5h]

I think your right about older files not being availbe as easy on bittorrent, unless you request. But it's absolutely the best alternative to newer files ^^

• dc++
• winny

um best way to get older files would probably through good dc-hubs, irc-shares or ftp:s since they probably are more organized =)

[jarkza]

DC++, addresses have been in my sig for ages

[anonymous]

You can try other trackers...I did find a big collection of subbed Ayaka's suprise english lesson clips on thepirebay a while ago.

It's on this tracker too.

I think your right about older files not being availbe as easy on bittorrent, unless you request. But it's absolutely the best alternative to newer files ^^

That's basically what I said. I'm asking about getting older files, not newer ones. I do use DC++ for getting older or overlooked anime fansubs. Know any good hubs for MM videos? And are there really many non raw files on winny?

DC++, addresses have been in my sig for ages

Tried it, looked great, then my client started crashing and five minutes later I'm banned. Real nice bunch of people there.

[jarkza]

Tried it, looked great, then my client started crashing and five minutes later I'm banned. Real nice bunch of people there.

Perhaps you broke some rules? Like, no porn, no dll, no dctmp and no bad clients... And yeah, we are nice

[Himalia™]

DC++ sounds great and all that except i hav two problems with it. First of all i seem to wait forever trying o connect to other users. I just seem to sit in queues for what seems like forever while im downloaded from non stop and there is anoying rule on the two rooms i liked the look of. Apparently if you cap your upload speed you will get banned. I only want to leave about 5-10k free so i can still browse the internet quickly (you need a small amount of upstream bandwidth for most things) and also by leavinga few k spare like that you can use your full download bandwidth ive noticed by leaving just 10k of my upstream bandwidth free i can download at 800k not 800kbs proper 800k a second which is great. Seems frustrating more than anything that site. Also takes a long time for it to hash all you files it took ages to do mine ok that was about 1 TB but even so. How long does it take anyone else here to hash files on DC++ ?

On the rare occasions that i do connect it can be frustrating getting disconected by people for no reason at all. It seems to be if they cant connect to you, that they will disconect you very soon after in some cases. It does not seem to friendly in that respect and i find theres little point in asking for help you just get insulted most of the time.

Ive pretty much given up on that site because of this ill still go back every so often just in case. I suppose this happens to a few users afterall it does seem very popular so cant be happening all that much.

[jarkza]

Well, at least in my hub we try to make people understand that DC++ is for sharing - not for leeching. That is the reason for banning those who use netlimiter or clients with inbuilt limiters. But we have some special persons that we have allowed to use that sort of things
When DC++ works well for you, it's a great program. But it has some extremely shitty things that makes it impossible for some people to use. If you have a router you'll have to forward ports to be able to download or upload correctly. Some users HAVE to stay in passive mode no matter what (then you can only download from active users)... and that sucks. Check THIS cool site for help
And yes, hashing is supposed to take a long time... it sucks... lucky me for having a small share (but you only need to hash once, and every time you add new files to your share you'll have to hash the new files)
If that didn't help, tell me and I'll see what more I can do ^^

[(AZN)animedude]

yeah i used DC++ sometimes cuz i seem to have pretty fast downloads over there...problem is oftentimes there's no DC++ slots open...that's what i like about bittorrent no waiting for slots just open torrent and download but nowadays i'm more bittorrenting that i am DC++ing (<----if that's even a word)

[anonymous]

no porn, no dll, no dctmp and no bad clients

check, check, check... 3 out of 4 ain't bad, right? I saw StealthDC is banned, but I use BCDC++ so I thought there wouldn't be a problem. Is it permanent, or will I be able to try again later if I get a different client?

Well, at least in my hub we try to make people understand that DC++ is for sharing - not for leeching. That is the reason for banning those who use netlimiter or clients with inbuilt limiters. But we have some special persons that we have allowed to use that sort of things

How does one become a 'special person' then? :c06: I'm in the same boat as Himalia, if I upload at full speed it saturates my bandwidth, resulting in massive latency and sub dialup speeds for web browsing or downloading. Not only for me, but for anyone else on my home LAN. This is what happens with asynchronous connections. Limiting it 10K below maximum solves the problem, and still allows me to share at a solid 30KB/s. Most people can't afford full duplex connections to the internet, or even have it available as an option. Most broadband services limit uploads to 15-40KB/s. Why not simply specify minimum upload speeds for those who might need to use limiters?

[Himalia™]

Well, at least in my hub we try to make people understand that DC++ is for sharing - not for leeching. That is the reason for banning those who use netlimiter or clients with inbuilt limiters. But we have some special persons that we have allowed to use that sort of things
When DC++ works well for you, it's a great program. But it has some extremely shitty things that makes it impossible for some people to use. If you have a router you'll have to forward ports to be able to download or upload correctly. Some users HAVE to stay in passive mode no matter what (then you can only download from active users)... and that sucks. Check THIS cool site for help
And yes, hashing is supposed to take a long time... it sucks... lucky me for having a small share (but you only need to hash once, and every time you add new files to your share you'll have to hash the new files)
If that didn't help, tell me and I'll see what more I can do ^^

Well as i said all i really want to do is cap my limit by a about 5-8k so i can still browse the internet and get full download speeds. Prehaps limiting my upload speed to say 50k a second would be as far as i would go (that keep 10k spare) but the rules are the rules and thats that really. They are there to stop leeching and most of the time that works fine but in a few case this will happen and i understand that they must cater to the majority.

[jarkza]

no porn, no dll, no dctmp and no bad clients

check, check, check... 3 out of 4 ain't bad, right? I saw StealthDC is banned, but I use BCDC++ so I thought there wouldn't be a problem. Is it permanent, or will I be able to try again later if I get a different client?

-_-; Yeah, you're banned for life But if you send me your IP address by PM I could unban you... but you need to take crap out of share and use a normal DC++

How does one become a 'special person' then? :c06:

Have 5GB of jpop in share and you're in

Well as i said all i really want to do is cap my limit by a about 5-8k so i can still browse the internet and get full download speeds. Prehaps limiting my upload speed to say 50k a second would be as far as i would go (that keep 10k spare) but the rules are the rules and thats that really. They are there to stop leeching and most of the time that works fine but in a few case this will happen and i understand that they must cater to the majority.

Ok ok... I have always been a bit more allowing to H!O users If you appear at JN and say who you are, I am sure that you won't be banned even if you do limit. Then just PM one of the OPs (the ones with the key next to the nick (and who share, don't PM bots )) and say you want to be regged and we'll do it.
And yes, VIPs can limit

[Himalia™]

Ok thanks sound great to me. BTW how do you limit ? Or is this one of those "other" versions of DC++ that you must use to do so ?

[R.Kenshin]

Yep there are many modded dc++ clients these days. There are public ones and private modded ones. Some are really bad ass leecher clients. Faking share, blocking slots, limiting till you drop, multisegmented downloading are some of the options. Some walk between the thin line of being good or evil. As for your need, i would say go for BCDC++. This client wasn't modded too much from the original dc++. The biggest diffent is the upload limiting ability. Though when you limit your upload too much, say 10kb or so, your download will be capped to 10kb too. Which is a good thing. That way, it might keep the real leechers out. But if you cap you upload above that, it will not affect your download it all. The 10kb is just fictional. I'm not sure where the line is drawn. I guess it is somewhere between 5-15 kb. That leave only the hub rules. Some hubs don't allow modded clients. Some hubs do. But reading jarzka comment, i would say they allow vips to use modded clients. ^^ Here's the link...

http://utrum.dyndns.org:8000/

Test it yourself and see if it's something for you. ^^


Oops. Damn i'm qouting everywhere. :: No quote needed here...

Edited by R.Kenshin, 19 February 2006 - 03:20 PM.

[Himalia™]

Well i only want to limit it by a few k no more than 10 at most. That will still give me an upload of 50k a second and of course when im not downloading the rest goes staright in again. Thanks for the link.

[anonymous]

if you send me your IP address by PM I could unban you... but you need to take crap out of share and use a normal DC++

PM sent. I don't have crap in my share, and I got the standard client.

[jarkza]

Ok thanks sound great to me. BTW how do you limit ? Or is this one of those "other" versions of DC++ that you must use to do so ?

You can use modded clients, yes. Or you can use a program called NetLimiter, which allows you to limit any program that is using internet. But both are banned in my hub (except for vips )

Long post quote

BCDC sucks imo.. There are better ones (says someone who has tested approx. 20+ clients)

if you send me your IP address by PM I could unban you... but you need to take crap out of share and use a normal DC++

PM sent. I don't have crap in my share, and I got the standard client.

*unbans* we'll see how long you stay here this time (some of our OPs have OP clients that give autokicks/bans)


But if you have that 5GB of japanese stuff shared, I suggest you PM one of the OPs (one of the guys with a key next to their name and that share something) so you'll get VIPed and can use (almost) anything you want to

[Himalia™]

Ok thanks for the info and helps. So what client do you suggets that i should use then ?

[R.Kenshin]

BCDC sucks imo.. There are better ones (says someone who has tested approx. 20+ clients)

Hmm... There are clients around which are better, but if you are a beginner and only want to use it to
download stuff without being bother with all kind of fancy options beside the control of your upload speed,
bcdc++ ain't a bad candidate.

I've not used that many clients as you did, but i had my share. I'm op in a few of the hubs and started out
using some of those fancy op clients. Automatic checking and kicking users for all kind of stuff with raw
commands etc etc. But when time passes you kind of get tired of all that fancy shit and want to go back to
the basic. Downloading stuff without all the colors, smilies, sounds and other bother, being hurled at you.

Another reason is, i also thought that ops using those fancy clients which has option like multisegmented
downloading don't set the right example. Ops don't have to follow the rules and using that kind of options
does make you download go much faster. But you also will be taken a lot of slots of other user, who now
have to wait longer for their turn to download. There are already too many people who don't care what
happens to others as long as their own download go fast. Hence the popularity of those clients. But as an op,
you should at least try to set an example. And i don't mind waiting longer for my downloads to finish. I'm
patient. As long as i do get them. ^^

So coming back to you core of this long answer. There are better clients around. But do we need them? Do
we need all those fancy options and are we going to promote inequality in the dc++ community? When i try
to answer those questions. I find that the bcdc++ ain't that bad of a dc++ client...

Sorry for the long answer, but i like long answers. Why tell something in short terms when you can do it nice
and long. Hehehe. You don't have to read it if you don't like it. That's the right of the reader. Like it is the
right of the writer to make it as long and boring as he or she wishes. As long as there is mutual respect, it
never will be a bother. Oke... I'm finish now. Somebody else can talk now.

[jarkza]

Well, Himalia, when you start DC++ing, you should use the normal DC++. And when you get as a VIP and know that you won't be kicked for your client (unless if you use stealthDC++) you'd better take some cool leeching client like (BCDC++ or) strongDC++.

Another reason is, i also thought that ops using those fancy clients which has option like multisegmented downloading don't set the right example. Ops don't have to follow the rules and using that kind of options does make you download go much faster. But you also will be taken a lot of slots of other user, who now have to wait longer for their turn to download.

Let's take this one OP called [JN]jarkza (aka jarkza) who is an op at 8 hubs at the moment. I haven't downloaded anything that big from DC++ for ages, I already have all the old stuff I want. If someone says I should try it, I have a slot (autogrant) waiting. I have a couple dozen autogrants waiting for VIPs and OPs. So if anyone who wants to leech me lets me leech him, we'll swap autogrants It has worked so well so far and in such a small hub (users atm: 191, max users: 412) it should work in the future too. So it won't hurt if only the OPs and/or VIPs use "bad" clients... fact is that not so many do use them what you think