You still have to take into account that a majority of them are teenagers, and that a lot of the older members have been working more than having time to think or educate themselves. Also, women tend to think much more differently than men (it's a stereotype that women think more with their feelings than through rationality, but stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason). When you take this into account (though most of the fans probably wouldn't), then it's only fair to give them the opportunity to learn from their mistakes instead of getting no chance at all. I mean, actors, actresses and other more popular singers lose fans when they do something stupid, but give them some time to reflect on their actions and they come back even better than before in order to prove themselves not just to the public, but to themselves.
Maturity is a rare trait to see in younger idols.
Kitahara Rie, Team NIII
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:42 PM
I think Mariko's case is a bit different - tabloids trying to hit her might end with getting heavy strike themselves 
One conscious person with strong back can not only do many things under complete cloak, but also respond to threats faster - and more accurately - than large company.
One conscious person with strong back can not only do many things under complete cloak, but also respond to threats faster - and more accurately - than large company.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:45 PM
They have a chance, by being an idol - something thousands of other girls did not get the chance to be - through auditions.
To add, Akimoto have spoken about his yellow card system. We can deduce from that and other statements that management have discovered broken rules from members before, however media and/or fans were unaware of these situations. To me, whenever something becomes public knowledge, it has already gone too far. The illusion is broken, and the idol is no more. Here's the problem: Idols aren't actors, singers, and so on. They're idols. The entire premise is an illusion, or a fantasy. Add to this the oshimen concept, and how horrible it is to be a DD, or to oshihen (without a good reason). The idol concept is quite well known in Japan, fans of different groups do know what it means, but with AKB48 they embedded themselves into it far more than other groups, and they made themselves much more accessible as well.
If fans are scorned so much for being a DD or doing oshihen, then we need to consider it the other way as well: If an idol breaks the idol rules, that idol is no longer an idol. At least not a good idol.
Whatever management may decide is of course up to them, and fans cannot do anything about that. Except oshihen. And to some girls the effect of that is quite dramatic. Look at the senbatsu elections how some girls have dropped many positions. So, management may think and do one thing, but fans are the ones with power in their hands to support or not support.
Ooba Mina was popular, then got into a scandal case - was suspended from action - returned, and never really regained her popularity... I fear this may happen to other girls as well.
Re: Marikosama - she did have a very negative tabloid story before, but nothing came out of it.
To add, Akimoto have spoken about his yellow card system. We can deduce from that and other statements that management have discovered broken rules from members before, however media and/or fans were unaware of these situations. To me, whenever something becomes public knowledge, it has already gone too far. The illusion is broken, and the idol is no more. Here's the problem: Idols aren't actors, singers, and so on. They're idols. The entire premise is an illusion, or a fantasy. Add to this the oshimen concept, and how horrible it is to be a DD, or to oshihen (without a good reason). The idol concept is quite well known in Japan, fans of different groups do know what it means, but with AKB48 they embedded themselves into it far more than other groups, and they made themselves much more accessible as well.
If fans are scorned so much for being a DD or doing oshihen, then we need to consider it the other way as well: If an idol breaks the idol rules, that idol is no longer an idol. At least not a good idol.
Whatever management may decide is of course up to them, and fans cannot do anything about that. Except oshihen. And to some girls the effect of that is quite dramatic. Look at the senbatsu elections how some girls have dropped many positions. So, management may think and do one thing, but fans are the ones with power in their hands to support or not support.
Ooba Mina was popular, then got into a scandal case - was suspended from action - returned, and never really regained her popularity... I fear this may happen to other girls as well.
Re: Marikosama - she did have a very negative tabloid story before, but nothing came out of it.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:32 PM
Shinoda has a very good head on her shoulders, and seems to be very intelligent with how she interacts with the rest of the celebrity world. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a throng of celebrity allies ready to help her if something goes awry. That's probably why I respect her the most out of all the girls in AKB.
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In some cases (like Sashihara's), the information gets by quicker than the attempt to suppress it. I remember reading about kenkyuusei getting the yellow card treatment because they were still kenkyuusei and didn't know full well the rules and regulations that came with being an idol (there was one article that talked about how Togasaki was trying to settle things down before the issues got bigger), but does it actually still apply to promoted, popular and current members?
In my opinion, the illusion that idols bring forth is a lot stronger when idols are out of reach (hence being idols). The concept of idols being easy to meet and interact with is already a fallacy of the whole 'idol' term. When you humanise an idol, they end up being more 'beloved/respected entertainers' than 'idols', which is what I thought was what Akimoto Yasushi planned for in the first place. (If I recall, he was all about destroying the concept of the traditional idol when he first came with the idea for AKB48, probably to make it easier on future idols to get into relationships and marriage over time, which might have been brought about due to him actually being married with a former 80's idol.) With the girls being a lot less untouchable and much more human in the eyes of the public, they should be much more relatable, loved and in effect much easier to forgive if they do something considered wrong.
With the old image regarding idols still being strongly rooted inside people's minds however, it's still hard for this 'approachable idol' concept to get accepted.
Regarding the girls that suddenly dropped off the rankings, I assumed that some of them really did deserve it (harsh as it is) like Miyazaki Miho. Throughout all her years in the industry, she never showed any signs of improving and just remained a bratty girl that didn't have willpower. In Komori Mika's case, I thought the others felt the same way I did when she was shown on TV as a person that frequently lies in order to attempt to cover up her misdeeds or mistakes. Of course, it's not that I'm hating on them, it's just that I don't find them improving at all, though I'm still waiting to get shown otherwise. But yes, since fans decide practically everything even though there are factions of them that are rotten to the core, you really can't do much from a management standpoint.
We'll have to wait and see how Sashihara does in the rankings next year in order to be able to tell whether or not the fans really are willing to give second chances to 48-group idols that have something done to them to tarnish their image. If people do forgive Sashihara, then the possibility of them being able to forgive other girls such as Oba Mina is also quite possible. She really is the only one that can make or break this whole thing.
Anyway, back to Kitahara. She's also an otaku heavily attracted to a specific 2d character (Ace from One Piece), so I doubt anything serious will happen from her side. As for the male side however, the thought of getting their hands on an idol is something very enticing, and I assume they'll be onto a girl like her like a fly is to food. If she can keep herself safe while entertaining the audience and shooing off the flies, she should do the 48 group proud.
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In some cases (like Sashihara's), the information gets by quicker than the attempt to suppress it. I remember reading about kenkyuusei getting the yellow card treatment because they were still kenkyuusei and didn't know full well the rules and regulations that came with being an idol (there was one article that talked about how Togasaki was trying to settle things down before the issues got bigger), but does it actually still apply to promoted, popular and current members?
In my opinion, the illusion that idols bring forth is a lot stronger when idols are out of reach (hence being idols). The concept of idols being easy to meet and interact with is already a fallacy of the whole 'idol' term. When you humanise an idol, they end up being more 'beloved/respected entertainers' than 'idols', which is what I thought was what Akimoto Yasushi planned for in the first place. (If I recall, he was all about destroying the concept of the traditional idol when he first came with the idea for AKB48, probably to make it easier on future idols to get into relationships and marriage over time, which might have been brought about due to him actually being married with a former 80's idol.) With the girls being a lot less untouchable and much more human in the eyes of the public, they should be much more relatable, loved and in effect much easier to forgive if they do something considered wrong.
With the old image regarding idols still being strongly rooted inside people's minds however, it's still hard for this 'approachable idol' concept to get accepted.
Regarding the girls that suddenly dropped off the rankings, I assumed that some of them really did deserve it (harsh as it is) like Miyazaki Miho. Throughout all her years in the industry, she never showed any signs of improving and just remained a bratty girl that didn't have willpower. In Komori Mika's case, I thought the others felt the same way I did when she was shown on TV as a person that frequently lies in order to attempt to cover up her misdeeds or mistakes. Of course, it's not that I'm hating on them, it's just that I don't find them improving at all, though I'm still waiting to get shown otherwise. But yes, since fans decide practically everything even though there are factions of them that are rotten to the core, you really can't do much from a management standpoint.
We'll have to wait and see how Sashihara does in the rankings next year in order to be able to tell whether or not the fans really are willing to give second chances to 48-group idols that have something done to them to tarnish their image. If people do forgive Sashihara, then the possibility of them being able to forgive other girls such as Oba Mina is also quite possible. She really is the only one that can make or break this whole thing.
Anyway, back to Kitahara. She's also an otaku heavily attracted to a specific 2d character (Ace from One Piece), so I doubt anything serious will happen from her side. As for the male side however, the thought of getting their hands on an idol is something very enticing, and I assume they'll be onto a girl like her like a fly is to food. If she can keep herself safe while entertaining the audience and shooing off the flies, she should do the 48 group proud.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:34 AM
After reading her comments on the show and some stuff on the concept, it doesn't seem to be like ainori, which I first thought, but more like Real World, just watching how people acting when living together. I haven't read anywhere that the participant are not able to leave the house, which with Kitarie's other activities seems like asking a lot.
And I would doubt that any of those guys would put any moves on her since I don't think they would want thousands of angry fans coming after them, though she falling for them just because would be a possibility.
And I would doubt that any of those guys would put any moves on her since I don't think they would want thousands of angry fans coming after them, though she falling for them just because would be a possibility.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:05 AM
That thought didn't stop Oguri Shun from touching Yaguchi Mari of MM fame way back then though.
My take on this is that Kitahara will treat the male members of the household the same way she does with male staff members in that she's very respectful to them but keeps her distance. Which is what she's sent there to do anyway. Idols have packed schedules especially if they're in the top 20 of their own group, so preventing her from leaving the house would be very detrimental and cruel to her. My guess is that she'll just have to cancel the less important activities on her list to make room for the show, as I don't think the show's producer would be satisfied in just having Kitahara show up to see her eat, brush her teeth, take a bath, read manga while her hair dries, then go to sleep.
My take on this is that Kitahara will treat the male members of the household the same way she does with male staff members in that she's very respectful to them but keeps her distance. Which is what she's sent there to do anyway. Idols have packed schedules especially if they're in the top 20 of their own group, so preventing her from leaving the house would be very detrimental and cruel to her. My guess is that she'll just have to cancel the less important activities on her list to make room for the show, as I don't think the show's producer would be satisfied in just having Kitahara show up to see her eat, brush her teeth, take a bath, read manga while her hair dries, then go to sleep.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:48 PM
AkiP said quite plainly Takamina is in charge of the troops including discipline and sorting out scandals so why are you all so surprised that since she became management things have quietened down, even the crazy girl who sent the email from a male friend through the official mail channel was only suspended for 7 days. On a lighter note as for Rie I am more worried about the umbilical cord being severed between her and Akicha as they are always together, cooking breakfast for each other and Akicha repairs Rie's clothes how will they both survive.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:46 PM
Takajo's going back to Jakarta either way, so maybe they've started preparing already.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 04:17 PM
Kitarie will be all right. Aki-p wouldn't let her go into a situation that could potentially ruin her idol career. It's not profitable in the long-term.
Potentially, rather than there been any romantic things, the other people in the house could be protective of her (I would be, but then again, I'm female and around the same age as Rie). Not to mention, with these types of shows the participants are often people looking to get into the entertainment industry, so they would more likely mind their manners, so to speak. If it's like the Real World, they'll just be living in a house together and going to clubs/restaurants all the time.
But, we have to take into consideration the fact that relationships between males and females can be quite different in Japan. Friendships between them are not always as common as in the west, so maybe that's part of what the show is about. It should be interesting.
What would have been wise, however, would be to have 3 men and 4 women, just to make it seem less like Ainori and more like the Real World.
Potentially, rather than there been any romantic things, the other people in the house could be protective of her (I would be, but then again, I'm female and around the same age as Rie). Not to mention, with these types of shows the participants are often people looking to get into the entertainment industry, so they would more likely mind their manners, so to speak. If it's like the Real World, they'll just be living in a house together and going to clubs/restaurants all the time.
But, we have to take into consideration the fact that relationships between males and females can be quite different in Japan. Friendships between them are not always as common as in the west, so maybe that's part of what the show is about. It should be interesting.
What would have been wise, however, would be to have 3 men and 4 women, just to make it seem less like Ainori and more like the Real World.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:51 AM
this seems interesting... i hope someone takes the time to sub the show when it starts.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:26 PM
Strangely enough, her profile from SKE48 member page is gone:
http://www.ske48.co....itahara_rie.php
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:33 PM
^ Maybe they are gonna update them all soon? (like to take into account the whole shuffle)
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:54 PM
here is the first episode of the show!
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:48 PM
So, it felt like a pretty harmless show... until the last few minutes 
Kitarie stands out too much from the other two girls, kind of impossible for the guys to not take notice of her.
I wonder if they dare to put her in the next SKE senbatsu and gumi song like Yui...
Noone except for that nerd girl seemed to know who she was, or maybe they all knew but didn't want to show off their idol knowledge
Anyways, I see a reason that AkiP want to broaden the AKB knowledge to a new audience... but is she really that expendable. Thoughts about leaving?
waaaaa... interesting future for Kitahara Rie.
Kitarie stands out too much from the other two girls, kind of impossible for the guys to not take notice of her.
I wonder if they dare to put her in the next SKE senbatsu and gumi song like Yui...
Noone except for that nerd girl seemed to know who she was, or maybe they all knew but didn't want to show off their idol knowledge
Anyways, I see a reason that AkiP want to broaden the AKB knowledge to a new audience... but is she really that expendable. Thoughts about leaving?waaaaa... interesting future for Kitahara Rie.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:14 PM
Blocked by the GEMA here in Germany. How about putting it on the tracker for everyone?
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Thanks to Nacchan<3 for putting a full quality recording on the tracker
But,
I don't think I can continue to watch this show, I mostly just seeked through the first episode to see what it is about. Just doesn't feel right. What the hell was Akimoto smoking when he forced Rie into such situation?
In fact I had a really bad dream about this show (before I even 'watched' it), for some reason Rie had dyed her hair and eyebrows blond in it, but that's an entirely different kind of horror story.
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Even when nothing happens to/with Rie (romantically) in this show it's still very odd that hanging around with guys in such fashion is suddenly okay (for Akimoto at least) when there's a camera around. Other girls got fired from AKB48 because they (supposedly) hanged around with guys (just recently in HKT48, if I remember correctly.)
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Thanks to Nacchan<3 for putting a full quality recording on the tracker
But,
I don't think I can continue to watch this show, I mostly just seeked through the first episode to see what it is about. Just doesn't feel right. What the hell was Akimoto smoking when he forced Rie into such situation?
In fact I had a really bad dream about this show (before I even 'watched' it), for some reason Rie had dyed her hair and eyebrows blond in it, but that's an entirely different kind of horror story.
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Even when nothing happens to/with Rie (romantically) in this show it's still very odd that hanging around with guys in such fashion is suddenly okay (for Akimoto at least) when there's a camera around. Other girls got fired from AKB48 because they (supposedly) hanged around with guys (just recently in HKT48, if I remember correctly.)
Edited by dev-null, 13 October 2012 - 10:54 AM.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:09 AM
Must be political because Yui is not on the NMB profiles anymore, can see the point they do not belong to the sister groups and the crazies were becoming very anti the girls.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:54 AM
Must be political because Yui is not on the NMB profiles anymore, can see the point they do not belong to the sister groups and the crazies were becoming very anti the girls.
Works still here:
http://www.nmb48.com...r/yokoyama_yui/
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:41 PM
I seriously wonder what world you guys live in or at least what Japanese TV shows you have been watching all your lives to think this will be some scandalous show. Like SERIOUSLY. Do you think this is some reality porn show or something? l just don't get what all the panic is about. ITS A TV SHOW!!! haha. Has Kitahara ever been the "hey here I am with my legs spread come get in me boys!" type, nah did not think so, or do you think they dont know cameras are there or what...
These shows always have suspense endings, in fact any show not on its last effing episode does those cheesy ass endings to get you to watch the next one, these things are edited into the next dimension. Either way The whole reality show thing is starting to take hold in Japan this year. Don't know if you can call it a reality show even since they all have celebs in it like everything on Japanese TV, but none the less the concept of "what are people doing when they are not on stage" is getting really popular to film so shows like this are going to keep popping up, house/roomshare shows are showing high ratings eventhough when nothing happens in them.
It always weirds me out how... for lack of a better word >.> "interested" (to save peoples feelings but know I mean something worse) people are in idols, or celebs in general, this one is really no different.
These shows always have suspense endings, in fact any show not on its last effing episode does those cheesy ass endings to get you to watch the next one, these things are edited into the next dimension. Either way The whole reality show thing is starting to take hold in Japan this year. Don't know if you can call it a reality show even since they all have celebs in it like everything on Japanese TV, but none the less the concept of "what are people doing when they are not on stage" is getting really popular to film so shows like this are going to keep popping up, house/roomshare shows are showing high ratings eventhough when nothing happens in them.
It always weirds me out how... for lack of a better word >.> "interested" (to save peoples feelings but know I mean something worse) people are in idols, or celebs in general, this one is really no different.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:48 PM
^ Of course I don't think anything like that would happen but she's an idol after all.
Something that wouldn't affect an ordinary person could still tarnish her image.
It just seems like an unnecessary risk to put her on a show like that.
Something that wouldn't affect an ordinary person could still tarnish her image.
It just seems like an unnecessary risk to put her on a show like that.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:01 PM
^ only thing bad that can come of it is tabloids making stuff up again. How anyone believes them when they are undeniably tabloid stories always boggles the mind. Its like the people who react to that and this kind of thing seriously do not live in the real world... (or read the stories/look at the "pictures" that get put out). Kinda like the Sashii thing ,not a fan of hers, actually kinda dont like her, but its like I was the only one who read the story and saw the guys testimonial about her and said "Wait a minute... you look like a member of a Johnny's group..." big ass red flag that this was some bs lol, yet everyone went with it. Or the Kuramochi nude pics... that was clearly some random 40 year old lady and not her, but they still made her say sorry and what not.
Just saying this stuff is only as bad as the fans make it and lets be honest here, AKB/idol fans are damn gullible.
Just saying this stuff is only as bad as the fans make it and lets be honest here, AKB/idol fans are damn gullible.
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