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[Greyface]

I don't know why being a Kenshusei would possibly be free. It's getting the time and facilities of professional dancers, singers, etc. I'm sure there will be former Kenshusei turning up in non H!p idol groups, if there haven't been already. And the truth is, girls come out of that program very strong. Able to communicate with the professional staff, and ready for hard work and able to take professional criticism from their instructors.
It's also not so different from Johnny's (which is a little more cut throat) or the Korean system (which is a little more corporate) both of which produce a lot of popular material...

And for the record, I have no idea what this legend is about "the platinum era failing". I think there's a lot of imagined history going on here.

[Boota Pouncer]

The whole Platinum Era not succeeding because of no auditions I feel is bull as well. A drop in popularity in a group that has been around for awhile is bound to happen, there are alot of things that factored into that at the time and H!P has improved on many of those things....calling them a failure of an era is not a true statement by any means, and is not fair to the girls who were apart of MM at the time.

[Aeria]

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I've been a Morning Musume fan since 2007. It isn't imagined. It was true. the group suffered terrible sales, due to no promotion or new members. The line up got stale and well boring, since it was always a Reina/Ai lead with Eri/Risa back up song. 

 

Example: When One Two Three/TMS came out. It outsold every platinum era song.

 

Honestly it felt more like a family than an idol group, now there's so much competition within the group, their interesting to watch.

 

The only thing I miss from the Platinum Era is Eri. Eri was my oshi and she still is.  

[MocchiMooch]

^ I've been around since 2003, and the Platinum Era wasn't a fail at all.... Though sales were a bit low and the stable line-up got a bit stale, no one sat there at the time and thought "WOAH MOMUSU IS SCREWED". The only time that felt sorta like that was when Kaorin announced her graduation, because people were worried about losing the final 1st gen member... Everyone expected Osaka Koi no Uta to be a disaster, yet it was pretty well received despite being the final single for the new leader and Charmy. 

 

But there's never been a time in Momusu's history, that I've partaken in, where things felt like a failure.

 

In retrospect, the Platinum era singles were strong, and everyone really received them very well. Especially songs like Lullaby Game, Kimagure Princess, and Nanchatte Renai. I had an active presence on several J-pop forums, and there wasn't much notable negativity during these times...just the same old whiney people complaining that their favorite doesn't get solos, that they hate Koha, that LinLin "deserves" more lines, blah blah blah. Same stuff as today, just replace Koha with Riho and LinLin with Zukki.

 

Sales don't determine quality, and I really wish people would finally realize this.

[ShiningLight445]

Sales don't determine quality, and I really wish people would finally realize this.

 

This. I totally agree with you

[Happy Now?]

In retrospect, the Platinum era singles were strong, and everyone really received them very well. Especially songs like Lullaby Game, Kimagure Princess, and Nanchatte Renai. I had an active presence on several J-pop forums, and there wasn't much notable negativity during these times...just the same old whiney people complaining that their favorite doesn't get solos, that they hate Koha, that LinLin "deserves" more lines, blah blah blah. Same stuff as today, just replace Koha with Riho and LinLin with Zukki.

 

 

Platinum era songs were my favorite, and the group was great, just predictable. After JunJun and LinLin entered, there were no big changes until the 9kis came in.  We all new what to expect. So, it wasn't bad at all, but it's much more exciting being a fan now than it was during the Platinum era, because we're starting to expect big changes and growth in Morning Musume.

 

More than wanting them to take Riho's lines and give them to Zukki, I'd rather have them make more solo lines. There are sooooo many group lines. If they took just 4 of those and gave them to Zukki, Haruna, Eripon, and Duu, everyone would be just a little quieter about it. I'd be happy.

 

And I know you don't care about the girls selling a lot or getting #1 on the charts, but that doesn't mean it's not important. They get more exposure and promotion when it happens. And it obviously means a lot to the girls. As fans, we should all want them to be happy. And while they shouldn't be ashamed or upset if they're not at #1, they deserve to want it, and celebrate when they reach it.

[wahashimoto]

I always though UF kept Momusu stagnant during Platinum to help promote Berikyuu more.

[cornyflakes]

Spoiler

Ah I get it, by not adding a Future girl (Mirai Shoujo) into the Present Morning Musume (Ima no Morning Musume), Tsunku and big man Yamazaki actually avoided creating a time paradox. Preventing the disruption of the time space continuum and the destruction of the whole universe! They're actually our heroes!

 

Jokes aside, I'm with the side that's okay with there being no new members added. I just think that the current lineup is doing great as it is and I want people new to the group to know about the present Morning Musume and it's members. Adding new members would just confuse people who are new to the fandom.

Though it is unfair to the contestants but the girls with high potential are invited to join Kenshuusei so it's all good right? Just my 2 cents on the matter.

[AmaSusE]

Spoiler

Ah I get it, by not adding a Future girl (Mirai Shoujo) into the Present Morning Musume (Ima no Morning Musume), Tsunku and big man Yamazaki actually avoided creating a time paradox. Preventing the disruption of the time space continuum and the destruction of the whole universe! They're actually our heroes!

You get a hug from me for this 

[rattrap316]

Spoiler

Ah I get it, by not adding a Future girl (Mirai Shoujo) into the Present Morning Musume (Ima no Morning Musume), Tsunku and big man Yamazaki actually avoided creating a time paradox. Preventing the disruption of the time space continuum and the destruction of the whole universe! They're actually our heroes!

 

    Couldn't find one with just glasses....

 

Awesome nerd joke there....

[MorningKawaii]

 

Spoiler

Ah I get it, by not adding a Future girl (Mirai Shoujo) into the Present Morning Musume (Ima no Morning Musume), Tsunku and big man Yamazaki actually avoided creating a time paradox. Preventing the disruption of the time space continuum and the destruction of the whole universe! They're actually our heroes!

 

haha that's a good point you got there 

[Cio'24]

I was meaning to write quickly why I thought this audition resulted in no members quickly.

Judging by the video, it was very last minute and probably only really decided within the past day or so. With the way Tsunku was putting it, he made it sound like he wanted the current members to become more known before adding more members. I think this was because of the positive response to Morning Musume's appearance on Music Station, and the apparent boom it caused in interest of them in Japan.

 

So to sum it up quickly, after the Music Station episode there was a small boom in interest on Morning Musume. Management noticed this and thought it would be wise to keep the line up the same for a short time longer to keep the quality the same but primarily to get the current Morning Musume more known to the public. After Momusu has gained some more popularity I think they will re-hold the 12th gen audition. Does that make sense?

[patapataful]

^ I think so too. 

The interest was really good after their appearance and hopefully this goes on. 

Maybe Tsunku hold auditions next year.

[Bexie]

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^ That does make sense, and that's what I was thinking too.

 

I'm glad there were no winners. I just want the current girls to be able to establish themselves properly for a while, and that looks like it's what Tsunku/UFA want too. With how much Momosu are being promoted, right now, with the "We are the current Morning Musume" thing, and doing those individual videos for each member etc - it seems kind of counter-productive to add NEW members during all that. A lot of people don't even know who the CURRENT members are, and that's what these campaigns are about. So it would seem odd to do all that and then turn round a few weeks later and say "Ok, that's all already out of date now - they're not the current Morning Musume anymore, we've got new people, now THIS is the current Morning Musume."

It would just complicate things and confuse people.

(And also I think Morning Musume has enough members already. Quality over quantity.)

 

I'm happy for auditions again in a year or so.

[Kaeseki]

I bet a number of the girls in the 12th Gen audition will get to go into the Eggs and later to Morning Musume.

[Blackmallow]

I think Cio and Bexie have it right.

 

Anyone think that UFA is going all in this time (poker reference)? Everything they have been pushing since 123 is going to culminate in this single. They even needed an extra month and a half to get the single out. I wouldn't be surprised if their target was 150K-200K sales on this single. After sales are known, they will know the potential of this MM iteration and will adjust their subsequent auditions.

[RoxasXIII]

12ki have a winner. She even performed in harokon

Her name is Yamada Sakura

 

 

[timekiller001^]

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[cornyflakes]

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Lol they spelled Oda-chan's name wrong, nice one spotting that one!

[visionfactory]

I'm glad there are no new members, it has been too much new people since 9ki joined they are not ABC48