| Paul
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Jan 27 2010 03:16 AM
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Usurper. Pretender to the throne.
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| Cardi
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Jan 27 2010 04:48 AM
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Yet who can stop her? Yajima, in all her legitimacy, appears powerless without Umeda's backing.
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| Tony Kusumi ミ☆
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Jan 27 2010 05:06 AM
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Say what? Is this Kyuuto or Buono! ...?
Rhetorical question.
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 27 2010 07:16 AM
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I would kill ( for fees ) to see Chisato in that kind of outfit
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| Glasseyelashes
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Jan 27 2010 07:31 AM
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*i would kiss (for fees) to see chisato in that kind of outfit.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 07:40 AM
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^ Kiss whom? =P
As for who rules over C-ute, it's Maimi, much as Yuko ruled Morning Musume despite Nacchi and Gottsuan being far more popular. Airi is the ambassador- Maimi the head of state.
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 08:35 AM
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I'm sorry, Mr. Tony K., but that's not a rhetorical question at all. In Buono!, there's an even repartition of lines, Airi does NOT rule over Buono! in any way. Will you please stop your Airi nonsense on the picboard for the greater good of everyone?
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 27 2010 08:54 AM
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^ hey if you don't like it ignore it... cos this is AMERRIKA!! or is it hmmmmmm
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 09:01 AM
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^ This is not "AMERRIKA"! This is the world! And I ignore it if I want: turns out I dun wanna XP Cause I don't like Mr. Tony K.'s ways. If he really liked Airi, he would stop saying those things cause that's actually anti-Airi: saying that she's the flagship of H!P, that it's not C-ute but A-iri, etc -> the consequence is that ppl are gonna start being fed up with her, when it's not even her fault. And really, she's far from being H!P's flagship.
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 27 2010 09:04 AM
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^ if people are swayed by what people say or do, then where is your own convictions... wait.. .oh... nvm.....
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| Paul
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Jan 27 2010 09:05 AM
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I think Maimi needs to make some sort of back alley deals with the other girls. Offer Chisato a photobook, maybe, in return for her support against Airi. I hope she's doing her research. What would sway Nakajima and Hagiwara? She can't offer them more lines, Airi has stolen them all.
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 09:16 AM
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^ At first, I lmao'd at this and thought that maybe she can offer Mai some food XD . But then I thought: "seriously, what would be the use of ganging up against Airi? If that were to happen, Tsunku would just disband C-ute, give Airi a solo career and send the other girls home with a consolation cookie". So yeah... hope Maimi came to the same conclusion.
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| Patachu
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Jan 27 2010 09:55 AM
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Tsunku should just disband the rest of H!P and make Airi! Project.
Her dad would approve.
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 27 2010 09:57 AM
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can someone please upload some pics of Koharu.... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 10:05 AM
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^ Why in nine circles of the hell are you asking this here??????? She has a thread you know. Uff, people.... <.< <.< <.<
Oh and: @ Paul: I failed to notice your first comment. WTH?? She's no usurper dammit!!!!!! *angry face* She doesn't choose her lines. The end. And this is Buono!, not C-ute, so bring your comments somewhere else!!!!
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 27 2010 10:14 AM
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^ if you don't get it, you don't get it love...
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| Cardi
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Jan 27 2010 10:15 AM
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I agree, we really need more Kusumi Koharu pics.
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 10:32 AM
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@ The Juggernaut: Stop your patronizing ways (and most of all, MOST OF ALL, don't call me "love", we're not familiar!!!). You're really too full of yourself, man. And you're just not funny, all I could do was taking your comment in the first sense. I hate how the (moronic) comments on this picboard are turning it into a washed-out copy of 4chan <.< Oh and don't go saying that I don't have humor: it's just that you're not witty.
*bows and leaves*
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| Paul
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Jan 27 2010 04:34 PM
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You're right, this is a buono pic, but I was referring to her coup d'etat in C-ute, which she apparently won without a shot being fired. As far as I know, she hasn't yet made a move in Buono; presumably she wants to consolidate her power base in C-ute first. Maimi - it's now or never!
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 04:40 PM
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*comes back for a quick reply* ^ Why do you call that a coup d'etat? Do you really think it was her making? Someone as sweet as Airi? Seriously... It's not her fault that Tsunku lost his head. She sure is a good singer, but I doubt she'd want to steal all the lines. I'm sure she felt bad about it and would have gladly given away all her lines to the others. Seriously, not her fault that the head of H!P, a head no more has.
As for Buono!, since Tsunku doesn't write the songs, I have good hope that it'll stay as it is: fair share of lines. With a group as small as that, it's easier to fairly distribute lines.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 07:02 PM
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^ I think Seimei was using "love" in this sense:
http://www.merriam-w...dictionary/love
(2) British —used as an informal term of address
He meant that if Koharu were still in H!P, Tony Kusumi would be praising her this way, which wouldn't cause as much controversy as praising Airi, whom some resent for her popularity and promotional push from management. Also, one other word for the day:
http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/decaf
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 07:32 PM
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^ I know what sense he meant, and that's exactly why I don't want him to call me this: as I said, we're not familiar, so he shouldn't be that informal with me.
And I understand what he meant by that "bring more Koharu" thing. But what I'm saying is that even if Tony had been commenting on a Koha pic, I would have had sthg to say because he unnerves me with his comments and I can't keep my mouth shut XD. Many times I've replied to his comments on her pics on this picboard or other places in this forum because he made it sound like MM was just Koharu and that without her the group sucked.
And lol, wth, I'm not hyper on coffee ^^ But ok, I'll shut up now.
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| Nouciel
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Jan 27 2010 07:55 PM
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Great, before it was "cool" to hate on Koharu just (well, not just, but a huge reason) because of a few fans who thought she was the coolest thing ever and made sure to state that on every place.
Now it's Airi. gdi, this is only a matter of who's next.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 07:56 PM
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^
^ Tony is Tony, and you aren't going to change him. But go ahead and try if you want to.
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| Glasseyelashes
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Jan 27 2010 08:19 PM
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the thing that bugs me is, the more compliments you give to someone, the less meaning they have. sure airi is awesome in her own little way, but saying it over, and over, and over again, it just loses all meaning. know what i mean?
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 08:19 PM
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^
^ No no, I really don't care about changing him. If someone doesn't understand by themselves that they should change their ways, then they're just hopeless and I should stop wasting time on them.
As Nouciel states it (and how I mentioned earlier), it's just sad that ppl like him bring others to hate or lose interest in these idols for the wrong reasons... *sighs*. That's the only thing I'd like to fight against.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 08:26 PM
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^ My stance on that would be that anyone who could be moved to dislike me in a knee-jerk reaction against someone else's constant adoration is not someone whose likes or dislikes I would care about.
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| Tony Kusumi ミ☆
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Jan 27 2010 08:39 PM
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The rhetorical question comment was an edit. It was made because at the time there was a Buono! picture with Airi in the same outfit. Hence, there was no need for it to be answered. Anyway, Airi sure is awesome. And the notion of having more Koharu pictures presented by Seimei - Uchuu Daioh is certainly a great idea!
edit:
Sorry about that.
Yes, you are correct in that the term "rhetorical question" was incorrectly used. But it made more sense at that particular time (when the group picture of Buono! was next to this one). Because along with adding intrigue to the post it also removed the glaring ignorance.
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| Cardi
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Jan 27 2010 08:50 PM
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Expanding on Paul's analysis of the C-ute situation, it appears that Okai is Yajima's only remaining supporter, and only halfheartedly so at best. Bearing in mind Yajima's reluctance to adopt Suzuki's singleminded ruthlessness, I find it far more likely that Suzuki, rather than Yajima, will horn in and curry Okai's favor. Then Yajima's obsolescence will be complete.
Edit: ^ Ah, using the term "rhetorical question" when correcting yourself in the edit was confusing.
I know common misconception oversimplifies the term to mean "a question that doesn't expect an answer", but more accurately it refers to a question that requires no answer because the mere asking of it is in itself a point being made.
Calling your own comment a rhetorical question thus made it look like you were making a rhetorical point, a mistake that led to a cascading communication error. Coupled with your ambiguous use of pronouns, it appeared your question might've been directed at the (intentionally ambiguous) comments above yours.
In this particular context, the point you seemed to be making was that Suzuki's presence dominates Buono! as much as it does C-ute and so it doesn't matter which group we're talking about. It even came off as uncharacteristically smug of you. Cue La'aKea snapping. See now the importance of reducing ambiguity? Perhaps next time a more generic "Oh, found out for myself nevermind" type of message would better serve your purposes.
Edit2: Well shit, two more comments were made while typing that long-winded edit above, and the two said comments rendered said edit unnecessary :(
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 09:10 PM
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@ Oikaze: maybe you don't care, but you're not an idol :P And these ppl that are influenced by comments may not be real fans of these 2, but they're still into H!P and I don't want them to lose interest because I support H!P as a whole.
@ Tony: Next time you edit your comments, make it more understandable, like "oh, I get it now, I saw a group pic, it's Buono!". But sorry if I misinterpreted this as: "it's rhetorical to ask whether it's Buono! or C-ute since Airi rules over them both". Seeing the things you've said other times about Airi, I thought you were ranting about this once again.
Edit: @ Cardi: exactly and exactly :) That's why I thought that, when I saw his comment. But don't say that your explanation was useless. I find it better than mine [I'm not great with explaining things in english :( ]
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| Tony Kusumi ミ☆
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Jan 27 2010 09:19 PM
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@ Cardi - Your analysis is spot on. What could be just as interesting is Airi's defacto leadership in Buono! as well. We all know that Airi is the best. And we all have great insight into why Tsunku hails Airi as the Top Performer in Hello! Project.
@ La'aKea - Actually the additional comment wasn't even necessary. It was obvious from the start that this a Buono! Airi picture and not a picture of Airi from Team °A-iri . But you are correct in that it may have been difficult to determine; since over time this picture and the group picture of Buono! separated. Anyway, no harm no foul. All is cool.
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| Cardi
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Jan 27 2010 09:34 PM
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Now that you mention it, I'm left to wonder what Suzuki plans to do in Buono! in light of her C-ute maneuvers, and how the subgroup fits into any possible grander schemes.
She allows for a greater measure of egalitarianism there. Why move so carefully in that field? It can't be Natsuyaki, as she's clearly too self-conscious to comprise a great threat on her own. Tsugunaga appears to be just as much a howling emotional void as Suzuki, yet without the relentless ambition. Her energy is far too dispersed to be a threat on her own.
So why is Suzuki playing her cards more carefully there? I need to observe this situation more closely before I can form a hypothesis.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 10:00 PM
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^ Do you write mystery or spy novels or something? XD
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 10:26 PM
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GUYS! Stop it, please! How could anyone say this of Airi? She's so innocent (and don't go saying that I was fooled into believing she's a sweet innocent creature, that this was all her plan. It just doesn't happen like that. She doesn't get to choose a single thing).
@ Tony: "We all know that Airi is the best. And we all have great insight into why Tsunku hails Airi as the Top Performer in Hello! Project" : man, you really got to buy yourself a life. Koharu's gone, so you had to have a new goddess to worship, or what? Why are you doing this to Airi? Don't you see that by saying such things, you only encourage comments such as Cardi's (be it serious or a joke), who make her look as if she's some sort of mind manipulator of the greatest kind, whose only purpose is to dominate H!P?
If this is what you think of her, then you really don't get how the idol world works. The girls have to prove their value at all times. And they have to keep it constant. But not because they want to be in the middle or top stop, do they succeed. Look at Sayu. She has a LOT of fans and she's always doing her best to get some attention from Tsunku. Yet she's just the screaming Musume. Why's that? Because Tsunku chooses. It doesn't matter how much the girls do, or their maneuvers (admitting that they even plot such things, which I believe impossible to be), because, in the end, only Tsunku chooses. Sure, the girls might try to improve their position by doing little things. But a whole plan? Taking over a whole group? No, they wouldn't want that. As I said, if a girl takes over a group, the group itself becomes obsolete, she goes solo and the group is disbanded: I doubt Airi would ever want that. I believe in her genuine sweetness and she wouldn't want the other girls to graduate just so that she can go solo.
Besides, if you want to discuss that, why don't you go to her thread and confront yourself to her fans, rather than cowardly doing it here?
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| Tony Kusumi ミ☆
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Jan 27 2010 10:37 PM
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@ - La'aKea : Cardi's comments are great. It's like he has a direct mind-meld with many of the idols. Plus, his vast knowledge and insight would indicate he gets an up-to-the-minute feed from the idol industry. Maybe even from Tsunku and Akimoto themselves.
Hey, your comments are cool too! They add an impressive amount of volume to the Airi praise threads.
At the end of the day though... it really is about the idols. No matter how much insight we have, no matter how much merchandise we've purchased, no matter how many times we've been to Japan to see our favorite idols perform live.... it's still about the girls. We're just fans. But it's great to be a fan. Right? Especially a fan of someone like Koharu and/or Airi.
edit: I just scanned through the newly arrived NatsuAki DVD to see Tokaikko Junjou. It was forgotten that it was also Umeda's farewell concert. TJ is the last song of the encore and then the good-byes. It's pretty touching even though it happened quite awhile ago.
edit2: Something was just learned after visiting a particular profile page for the first time. What was learned explains a lot. All the head-scratching and bewilderment are gone. It's hard to know if that's a good thing or not. Sometimes the apparent oddities are pretty funny. Now that humor is lost.
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| Oikaze
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Jan 27 2010 10:42 PM
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@La'aKea: Um... Cardi was clearly being humorous in his own unconventional way. He doesn't believe what he wrote.
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| La'aKea
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Jan 27 2010 10:45 PM
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@ Tony: At this point, I don't know how to take your comments anymore. I'm just gonna presume it's sarcasm.
@ Oikaze: I know, that's why I wrote that thing into parenthesis, when addressing Tony (about the comments being serious or a joke). But I can't tell whether Tony is being humorous as well or if he really believes what he says, at this point I don't know what to think of what he says anymore -> I mean, come on, the guy is 47 and indulges in such childish things as commenting on almost each Airi/Koharu pic that comes out in a way that begs for replies? I don't get it. I'm puzzled by him. Maybe he means for ppl to reply, maybe he doesn't. I can't seem to understand.
But, to me, saying that "she's the flagship of H!P" each time is sthg that triggers comments such as this whole page. Then I think: "what was the use of all this? why did I even get involved in it? why do I feel like replying to ppl who crack such nonsense?". I suppose I get easily annoyed by comments like those and I somehow want to defend those girls. But I'm done. No more replying to nonsensical comments on the picboard.
What I meant when I said that Tony's comments trigger replies such as Cardi's is this: some ppl will take those replies seriously and even if they somehow know that it's a joke, next time they see a solo song by Airi, they will start commenting about a presumed conspiracy.
(see, I said that I was not good at explaining things in english: I always end up having to explain what I explained because I'm misunderstood).
EDIT: I edited this post for whoever is concerned.
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| T3hLouiseChan
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Jan 27 2010 11:29 PM
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Aw man... I missed out on all the fun.
anyway Airi looks intense with this outfit ~
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| nashnyappy
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Jan 28 2010 12:17 AM
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I don't even know why everyone likes Airi so much...
She is just as talented and cute as the rest of the girls.
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| Rogre
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Jan 28 2010 12:25 AM
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Is this the J-Drama thread?
I forgot to add Airi is #1...Superbly beautiful.
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| nashnyappy
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Jan 28 2010 12:35 AM
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^ I think so...
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| throcrates
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Jan 28 2010 03:40 AM
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Actually it's the "Who used Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary and Thesaurus The Most" thread.
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| Paul
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Jan 28 2010 04:17 AM
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I think Cardi is right. I am unfortunately coming to the sad realization that Maimi has been outmaneuvered before she even knew the game was afoot. I hope we some day find out the real story behind the power plays and deception. How long was Airi waiting in the wings, biding her time, setting the stage for such an outcome? Poor Maimi, innocent of the schemes of ambitious idols, probably never noticed the manipulations and subtle machinations until it was too late. The shock she must have had when she finally realized that the remaining power she held was but a shadow of what it once was.
The real question is: how much is enough for this Machiavellian Princess? Where will it end? Buono surely will fall; but what of the rest? Where does her evil trail lead next? Sole control of an anime franchise? Domination of the talk-show circuit? Ninth-gen Momusu as a step along the way to H!P Grand Mistress? The only hope I see of stopping her resides in Kanon and, if she can regain her lost ambition, Sayumi.
Think of this, though, if you will: what if Maimi is playing an even stealthier game than AIri? Could the ditsy persona, the forgetfulness, and the apparent obliviousness all be an act? Is she luring Airi into overconfidence? Is she orchestrating a spectacular and public downfall? Is she letting her run free, only to pull the noose tight at some later date? Only time will tell.
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| Tony Kusumi ミ☆
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Jan 28 2010 04:35 AM
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That's some really heavy stuff there, bro. Outstanding.
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| Seimei - Uchuu Daioh
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Jan 28 2010 05:11 AM
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hey Paul, i know truth is stranger than fiction, if somehow we appoint you to be a chronicler of such a tale of intrigue and deception, could it be possible to be dramatized as a play or a story or something to that effect? cause i know i would pay big money to see this storyline you have put out here fictionalised on the sliverscreen.
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| Glasseyelashes
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Jan 28 2010 05:17 AM
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whatever happened to the general praise we give to these girls? a comment here and there is fine, but man, some people need to lighten up. (yes, i know i participated, but my comment was completely overlooked and thus obsolete, so there.)
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| Cardi
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Jan 28 2010 05:19 AM
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I use Oxford, actually :3
Paul, your third paragraph is preposterous. Or it would at the very least depend on Yajima being stupid, considering she started out with all the advantages and opted to passively hand them over.
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| Paul
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Jan 28 2010 05:28 AM
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Ah, yes. But before she had a lion nipping at her heels. After AIri's orchestrated fall, she would be free of any overt threat. Her stranglehold on C-ute would be complete. Assuming my theory is correct, of course.
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| theonlyfiona
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Jan 28 2010 02:12 PM
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Well crap.. I didn't notice this humongous thread until it was too late. What an immense wall of text! Not that I.. really wanted to butt in anyway, haha.
I thought Tony's comment meant: Is this Kyuuto (cute) or Buono! (good/tasty). Implying that this is both cute and good/tasty. And since he likes Airi, it's both.. therefor making it a rhetorical question?
See now.. I'm happy I didn't join in. I'm not on your wavelength at all XD
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