| hollowmoon
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| 2008-12-08 19:44 |
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Wow. I predict the thread related to this post will not end well.
From my point of view it's a totally O_o situation, but I know nothing of what the Japanese teach about WW2 in schools - how much western history are they exposed to? Still, not knowing who Hitler was or that he was not the equivalent of Santa Claus borders on shameful.
Hitler-Ojisan? Really?
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| Ic3
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| 2008-12-08 19:44 |
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lol, was expecting it to happen actually :P
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| bestofsoul
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| 2008-12-08 19:46 |
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^ Me too. Once I saw the picture of Hitler, I knew something bad was going to happen. =P
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| Michael Cheselka
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| 2008-12-08 19:53 |
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One of things I don't associate with H!P and other j-pop female acts is now linked :-(.
This really pisses me off!
Oi!
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| Rishadan
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| 2008-12-08 20:01 |
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yup, so expected.
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| kookyprincess22
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| 2008-12-08 20:01 |
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me too! hitler was a very controversial topic,they should have taught them about snl and madtv!
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| Junlovemik
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| 2008-12-08 20:02 |
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i sense it too hmmm man
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| Anton_91
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| 2008-12-08 20:03 |
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Seriously! Send these girls (and the staff and the tv company) to an extreme school for ALONG time!
Seriously. Watching this was disturbing
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| doinkies
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| 2008-12-08 20:06 |
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This article forgot to mention that after the episode aired, there were many complaints on Internet message boards about it (probably 2ch), which is why they apologized for it. The Japanese articles that H!O linked mentioned this. I think the staff is more to blame for this; they should have picked someone other than Hitler to cover.
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| kelsey
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| 2008-12-08 20:11 |
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well excuse me wasnt germany & japan allies i feel sorta sorry any jewish fan who say that :( i wonder if any foreign channels found out yet
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| The Incredible He-Hulk
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| 2008-12-08 20:13 |
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Well, the whole week had a real improper portrayal of history, honestly. All of it was silly, and misleading. With that said, this is an idol comedy show, not a history lesson, so accuracy wasn’t really the point, and it’s not like they taught anybody anything, really. It was just 30 seconds of nonsense and making fun of the drawing, for the most part.
But, on the other hand, there's quite a debate in Japan about exactly how to teach WW2 history in their schools, with many older people feeling that they teach a misleading version of it that doesn't properly put into context just how ruthless, cruel and full of barbarism the Japanese army was during this time period. Nor to they put into proper context events like The Nanking Massacre where Japanese soldiers brutally toyed with, tortured and eventually murdered as many as 200,000 Chinese civilians in one of the worst war crimes in history. Failing to put Hitler and the Nazi’s horrific crimes (who were the Japanese allies at the time remember) into proper context is all part of that debate.
What people are told and not told about their history has a great effect on the future of a nation. It is that fear that sparks this controversy. For, however unlikely it would seem, if you do not learn from history, there is always the possibility of repeating it.
In the end, it’s just really ridiculous that a C-ute show would incite any type of controversy. I feel bad for C-ute, but this is just further testament to just how sloppy and bad H!P’s staff is that they would put together a show that would have anything in it that could offend people and not realize it. Do another golf episode, you idiots. C-ute deserves better.
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| kookyprincess22
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| 2008-12-08 20:17 |
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or an snl week.
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| Japanime1
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| 2008-12-08 20:17 |
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LOL...just LOL...
Yes, it caused quite a controversy and it was wrong for them to act like Hitler was a great person...with the insufficient info...I really don't know what to say.
Atleast they apologized...but yeah...L.O.L.
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| Serapis
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| 2008-12-08 20:18 |
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Too bad for them. Too recent and sensitive topic. They should skip this guy…
IMHO people take this stuff too serious. Napoleon was also just a guy, who came across the Europe and killed hundreds of thousands of people. I personally disagree with referring to both of them as “’great people”. The word “outstanding” would be much more accurate.
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| ichibanb
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| 2008-12-08 20:19 |
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Hrmm I'm curious how well history is taught in Japan. Geography sure doesn't seem to be one of their strong points either, but of course I'm basing that on what I've seen from H!P girls, who seem pretty clueless on most things. I think it's time for them to get a good history lesson, them and the staff and writers.
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| Mihona
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| 2008-12-08 20:24 |
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omg...
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| LeeMusume
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| 2008-12-08 20:25 |
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oh man, let'em be!
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| killerpickles
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| 2008-12-08 20:27 |
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I so saw this coming....
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| ASSEMbler
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| 2008-12-08 20:30 |
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Gee maybe the terribly neutered textbooks had something to do with it?
Naah. And the chinese and Japanese were friends in WWII too!
I love the revisionist teachings they have.
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| kookyprincess22
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| 2008-12-08 20:30 |
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does any one else think that they should be taught about snl.
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| Thanh
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| 2008-12-08 20:35 |
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I didn't watch the eps, but from what I've read, the producer must be an imbecile to think this was okay.
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| Kuno
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| 2008-12-08 20:40 |
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kookyprincess22, please stop. Seriously.
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| Matt_D
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| 2008-12-08 20:40 |
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I lolled.
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| kookyprincess22
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| 2008-12-08 20:40 |
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ok.
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| Klokken
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| 2008-12-08 20:44 |
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Serapis is right, they had better used another 'adjective'.
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| Charon
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| 2008-12-08 20:45 |
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I, as a German, also felt it was bit off to call Hitler a great man. Having seen screenshots before I saw that episode, I expected there would be a section for the "worst man" at the end.
Anyway, if the Nazis were good at one thing, then it was propaganda and holding speeches. I guess nobody can deny that. What they used it for, was a bad thing (actually one of the worst things you can imgine). Nobody can deny this either. Is it wrong or immoral to point out what someone was good at who did/ordered such terrible things? Hard to say... maybe I'm just fed that there's always such a fuss about this topic and in the end nowadays Germans have to feel bad for being the bad guys for something that happend more than a generation ago. After all, everyone should remember history and do his own part to not let it repeat itself.
What actually was more of a shock to me is, that Maimi didn't know Hitler. But then again, which western person remembers the Japanese Emperors name of that time?
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| temeri
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| 2008-12-08 20:50 |
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sheesh, what sensitive beings, just bury the damn past already, it happend yearsssssss ago, like hitler is affecting your daily lives today. i agree that history should be told truthfully, but i bet the majority of people dont even really care at all.
but atleast it will bring some attention to h!p, not good attention though lol
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| HarD-
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| 2008-12-08 20:51 |
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wow i honestly doubt the girls actually know of the history of world war 2 itself.
either way, i'd put the blame entirely on the staffs.
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| Mr. Tuhis Kissman
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| 2008-12-08 20:54 |
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"But then again, which western person remembers the Japanese Emperors name of that time?"
Hirohito. After his death known as Showa. xD
"like hitler is affecting your daily lives today."
Actually, he is.
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| ntxoo89
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| 2008-12-08 21:02 |
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maybe next time they should learn their history before praising a freak
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| doinkies
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| 2008-12-08 21:02 |
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I also read that one of the recent Yorosen episodes replaced the Mano Erina section with another apology.
Here's some of the complaints translated:
"I can't believe that such ignorant people are taking part in making this program. I am really shocked." (from "Portugal de Bobo")
"Are you stupid for calling Hitler a "great person"? Do you want to die?
If you say such things it'll become a huge problem." (from "Ryoukaku Aho"...basically this username is calling the producer Morozumi, whose name is misread as Ryoukaku in the username, an idiot).
There were also various people commenting on C-ute's and the staff's lack of studies. On the Yorosen thread at 2ch, one recent post said that people learn about Hitler at around the 6th year of elementary school or the first year of middle school so C-ute should have known at least something more about him, and if they don't understand about him they should devote more time to their studies.
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| drahzaar
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| 2008-12-08 21:10 |
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W....T....F is Hitler and C-ute even doing on the same show
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| gx240
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| 2008-12-08 21:19 |
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I'm actually quite surprised they even apologized for it. As someone already mentioned, this is the country that publishes textbooks which describe the war between China and Japan and the death of 20 million Chinese as a friendly get together.
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| Ine
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| 2008-12-08 21:24 |
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I wish that the people could forget about hitler...
he´s a shame for germany...
and he wasn´t a german...
i really love h!p but something like that hurts
i know japan have nazis like every country but to call hitler as great person...
that´s a bad joke!
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| Ushitora
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| 2008-12-08 21:31 |
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to temeri:
I don't now about "majority of people" in US but in my country, Poland, that kind of thing would create major uproar. But then again you must admit that losing more than 1/5th of country population (most of them being civilians), geting your capital city nearly completly destroyed (90% of buildings, around 250000 people dead during Warsaw Uprising) or being made the main stage of Holocaust may be painful even after over 60 years. In my, rather small (now 60000 people) city of Zgierz, there is monument commemorating the execution of 100 people - they died beacuse soldier of underground Home Army killed 2 Gestapo officers. There are places like that all over Poland. So yes, you can call me "mr. sensitive", but when I watched that episode of Yorosen I was pissed as hell. Not on Saki-chan, because she propably don't know most (if not all) of the people she was taking about, but on the idiot who prepared this episode and the moron who approved and aired it.
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| Iron_Chef
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| 2008-12-08 21:34 |
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The Incredible He-Hulk said it quite well in his post. The members of C-ute shouldn't have wound up in this spot. This a major blunder among the H!P staff. Even once the episode was taped, who in the world let this one slip by editing and quality control?
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| crokk
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| 2008-12-08 21:37 |
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Personally I don't see a big problem... i mean ok, they picked up the wrong character, but it looked like they had fun of him too!!!
Oh, and visit Yasukuni's shrine museum just to have an idea of how some japanese people could think about ww2.... Chinese people should be offended by some labels (they wre in english too), but they are still there. You judge more with western point of view then local
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| Pinoy7TFC
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| 2008-12-08 21:41 |
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wow...i lawld hahaha
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| Cotton Cloth
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| 2008-12-08 21:44 |
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When I saw watched the episode on Saturday I was pretty shocked -- I posted a comment to that effect in the torrent DL thread. To my mind it was a pretty damning indictment on the whole Japanese educational system. To state that Hitler was a great man and that the most notable thing about him was that he made great speeches and was short. Well, it was disturbing. Both Saki and Maimi came out of it looking like uneducated, insensitive fools.
Thank god someone had the courage to appologise.
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| Sabaku_no_Leti
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| 2008-12-08 21:49 |
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@Serapis: and Marie Antoinette ignored France and let them starve to death while she tried on all those kawaii dresses...
The mistake was calling him a "great man", at first I thought it was "great" as in, you know, "important", didn't realize it had that second meaning. I still think he got quite owned with his hemorrhagic mouth and hair pin...
I blame the people who reacted so shocked, too, if they say they want to forget about Hitler, then why make such an uproar when he was only mentioned for 30 seconds on Yorosen?
OH GAWD I JUST REMEMBERED BERRYZ HAS A SONG CALLED DSCHINGHIS KHAN. DSCHINGHIS KHAN!!!
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| Mizer
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| 2008-12-08 21:56 |
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“sheesh, what sensitive beings, just bury the damn past already, it happend yearsssssss ago, like hitler is affecting your daily lives today.”
Wow. For starters, it was “Yorosen!,” not the viewers or the press, who exhumed the past and tried to put lipstick (literally) on its corpse by presenting some revisionist version of Hitler’s “accomplishments” on a pop idol program.
And to those who think Hitler is “of the past,” you should know that here in the United States there are hundreds of neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups that still celebrate his birthday, and that have members like the two armed men with swatistikas on their car who were arrested on October 22 by the Secret Service for their plot to assassinate President-elect Obama and then kill 88 (the 8th letter of the alphabet is H, and so “88” stands for “Heil Hitler”) African-American schoolkids in Tennessee. So, his spirit is alive and likely to strengthen as more White Americans feel threatened by an African-American president who is not afraid to establish the most diverse Cabinet in history.
People around the world need to be educated about real history so they can be wary of dictators adept at propaganda, no matter what country they’re from. Bravo to the Japanese commenters who called the producers out on this.
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| ChobiMM3
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| 2008-12-08 21:57 |
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I won't be suprised if Yorosen! gets cancelled now.
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| Serapis
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| 2008-12-08 22:03 |
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@Sabaku_no_Leti:
Truth. If you want to get offended, you will find a reason. This "Hitler topic" is just too recent for some people to let it be the same way as they let be other persons.
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| Ine
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| 2008-12-08 22:04 |
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I WISH that yorosen get cancelled now!
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| Cotton Cloth
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| 2008-12-08 22:07 |
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It's less about being offended and more about being shocked that they were that stupid. And that the staff on the show were that stupid.
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| greah
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| 2008-12-08 22:08 |
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Ushitora
well said
The problem is that they identified him as "a great man"; for gods sake how could anybody even thought about such a thing? Ok he was a good orator but his speeches was full of antisemitic and nationalist phrases; he "captured the hearts of his nation" and ordered them to annihilate few millions of innocent non-arian people in concentration camps like Auschwitz, Treblinka or Majdanek.
The only adjective which fits here is "largest" - one of the largest genocide in history
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| Aldous
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| 2008-12-08 22:09 |
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"Hitler was right about almost everything." - Stanley Kubrick
Not everyone disagreed with the goals of ol' Adolf. Maybe there's some like-minded people on Yorosen's writing staff.
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| joezakoor
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| 2008-12-08 22:19 |
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Well, say goodbye to their careers cause of that.
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| VMWalls
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| 2008-12-08 22:23 |
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"Idol" -- It isn't just name anymore! :)
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| burnt glitter
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| 2008-12-08 22:24 |
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Geez, I saw this one coming. When I watched it I laughed A LOT at how ignorant the girls were about Hitler (Maimi forgetting who he was...? I know the Japanese education system is warped when covering WWII, but COME ON! Wasn't Hitler Japan's ally? I'd understand if they didn't know Franklin D. Roosevelt or Harry Truman but Hitler?? Sometimes I think the girls play stupid for the camera). Now I feel really bad. It was wrong of them to air this. I'm glad they apologized.
And for people in these comments saying things to the effect of 'It happened in the past, just forget about it'... Wow. And I thought the C-ute girls were stupid.
I don't think C-ute's career will be over because of this, people saying that are taking it a little too far. It was just a mistake and the broadcasting company has apologized for them, now it can smooth over and they can go about doing Yorosen!, but they'll pay a bit more attention to what the girls are teaching, I'm guessing. If anything, this controversy will bring C-ute some publicity (probably bad publicity, but sometimes I think you shouldn't distinguish between them when from one point of view you could say this could boost sales...).
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