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 Who is your favourite 15th gen. Momusu member? |
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Rio Kitagawa |
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 37.4% |
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Homare Okamura |
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17.8% |
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Mei Yamazaki |
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22.9% |
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I luv them all |
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22% |
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Submitted by: Mattthecat |
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| Oikaze
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| 2013-08-24 19:50 |
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Okay, Karin had better get a solo career then. What are they waiting for? She should be front and center.
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| Jayde
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| 2013-08-24 19:54 |
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o_O but Karin's a member of Juice=Juice now.
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| iwabo
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| 2013-08-24 20:22 |
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This is such a joke. Why hold the audition if they think it's too early.
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| mo baka
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| 2013-08-24 21:09 |
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Does seem like they went through a lot of trouble for nothing.
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| joshmos
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| 2013-08-24 21:19 |
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kind of a weird reason, I agree. If they need more time why hold audition and give hundreds if not thousands of young girls hope? PUBLICITY.
Oikaze! I agree 100%! Not that Karin should be in Momusu, she has J=J, but she should definitely ALSO be a solo artist. That girls is a shining STAR! I have been saying this for years!!
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| zam
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| 2013-08-24 21:24 |
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You guys seem to think that the situation when the audition was announced is still the same now. Things change, situation change. If Tsunku didn't change his plans he would have made a big mistake. Now its time to take a step back and rethink his strategy. Tsunku did the right decision.
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| R1nzl3r
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| 2013-08-24 21:45 |
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^Breaking hopes of so many girls (who are a big part of fandom, too) can turn out as much bigger mistake though.
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| Greyface
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| 2013-08-24 22:06 |
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As if most of the applicants aren't rejected in the auditions when he DOES add members? When people audition it's either blind hope, or with half an expectation of rejection. It's not a tournament, or competition, with MoMusu membership as a prize that Tsunku yanked away, it's a chance for a girl to stand in front of the producers and show them what she has, and for the producers to look over a lot of people and decide IF they want any of them. Anybody who thought the question was WHICH girl they wanted was mistaken on their own, with no help from Tsunku.
And anyway, he found a girl he's in love with and is asking to join the Kenshusei, but not for MoMusu.
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| Mattthecat
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| 2013-08-24 23:38 |
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I agree with greyface. If Tsunku sees a girl with talent and potential he will utlize that talent sooner or later. So an audition is a chance of a lifetime, Momusu or not.
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| pige
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| 2013-08-24 23:41 |
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^ I also agree, but it feels like there was a bit more to this one after reading the announcement.
I don't think the audition was ever really for MM. He wants to create another H!P group that will
have an actual rivalry with MM to play up(maybe even operating the same as MM). A second MM with members fighting for spotlight and without the baggage of more than a decade of existence.
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| Kitsuiko
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| 2013-08-25 02:00 |
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I don't think there's any reason to believe that he wants to create yet another group to have an actual rivalry, as J=J was just created and he's been talking about their skill level being significantly higher and the other groups at start and them needing to be strong to stay on top. With the magical-wonder Karin AND Sayubee there? It's hard for me to think that isn't the group you're implying to be created, Pige. C-Ute is older and has the most skilled dancers over all. S/Mileage while not my cup of tea is still fighting to the top. Rivalries are not few right now.
If we look at what Tsunku is saying it seems to simply be: "If I add a new girl I risk losing something out of my older members" which frankly is the complaint some of the fans here have been saying. New people mean that you have to be prepared to fight to show why you should be at the front to maintain your position. It means you need to be strong enough in your place and your character to not just vanish off now that there's someone else also here.
It seems pretty much like a polite way of saying "my current girls have not grown as fast as I was hoping they would by this time period" as he wants them to. So.. more of a current-Musume commentary than to any of the new girls. And I Can't quite say he's wrong. The transition of new members and addition tends to make the older girls more quiet to let them have space. Can I imagine Sakura really fighting to make sure she shines in the center like Riho or Ayumi or Sayu have learned to? Will another member allow for the members to grow complacent and just accept "I'm a back girl" and not make them push? Compare how much certain girls were willing to really capture their camera time in each video -- is it equal? There's a lot of growth that happens over the court of time and... well, sometimes it's less than you expect.
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| pige
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| 2013-08-25 02:29 |
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^listen to this one, they make more sense then me
Or, it could all just be an enticement to get the new back up dancers they brought on to not just go through the motions.
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| quarterpounder
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| 2013-08-25 02:44 |
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This is a some what of a good decision even though it is unfair to the girls who auditioned. It means more lines distributed to the current members especially fuku chan who has been really owning her solo parts and it also means sayu wont graduate any time soon
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| Oikaze
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| 2013-08-25 02:45 |
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Although I am sure that all legal bases are covered by written waivers, disclaimers and such in things the girls sign, I don't think it's right to hold an audition without the definite intent of selecting at least one member. The point isn't "You probably won't be selected." They all know that. The point is that they train strenuously for the POSSIBILITY of being selected. As for "eventually" being used in some capacity, well, given UFA's track record of neglecting talent, I wouldn't count on it being in any meaningful capacity, besides which, the girls are auditioning for what Morning Musume is right now, not what it might be in, let us say, 3 years. Mikitty got cheated big time by being forced into a radically different Momusu, for instance.
As for Juice=Juice, it is like Country Musume, Melon Kinenbi and Coconuts Musume: No matter how talented the girls, it will always be a "side group" and afterthought compared with the groups that actually climb high on the singles charts. Karin deserves far better than that (so did Ayaka, Satoda Mai and Boss Hitomi, of course).
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| Greyface
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| 2013-08-25 03:04 |
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They had the possibility of being selected, and weren't. It doesn't matter why. It doesn't matter how many (0) were selected. Nobody showed Tsunku what he wanted, so nobody joined MoMusu. I already said this, but you're looking at the audition as if it was a competion with a prize, and that's just not what it is. In movie role auditions, the producers have very little time to find the actor they're looking for, so they almost never have "no thanks" auditions, but joining a talent agency isn't like that, and Tsunku/H!P doesn't owe anybody a multi-year contract because they were the best THAT DAY. Any imagination to the contrary is wrong-headed.
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| Oikaze
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| 2013-08-25 03:43 |
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^ The point isn't that none were selected, but rather that the intent to select was clearly absent, when every previous audition has resulted in at least one girl being selected, implying a strong likelihood that this would continue. Yes, legally UFA is not obligated to select anyone, but that's a loophole to get out of doing what one is morally obliged to do, which is make good on a generally understood (even if not formally legally stated) promise.
The reason no one was selected was not that "nobody showed Tsunku what he wanted", and he specifically refutes that by saying it didn't reflect on the level of talent of those auditioning. Rather, no one was selected because a change in corporate policy made it inconvenient to make good on what had previously been promised and intended.
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| Greyface
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| 2013-08-25 04:35 |
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Every audition except the other one before when there were no inductees (first run through 7th generation). And this "moral obligation from a general understanding" is pretty much just in your own head. It's not what "audition" means. It's not supported by entertainment industry or Hello!Project history.
And you need to distinguish between "level of talent" and what Tsunku wants IN MORNING MUSUME. It's not some arbitrary cut-off. It's not the same from time to time. (He said there were auditionees that would have been selected for the 9th gen, but the group's situation is different now, what he wants from members, and from the group as a whole is different now).
Please just stop digging. Please understand that any anger or whatever it is your feeling is because you misunderstood what was happening, not because Tsunku is scum (or whatever the root theory is). But if you still want to talk about it, why don't you tell us what changed in corporate policy? I don't have access to that kind of news, so it could be really interesting.
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| Oikaze
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| 2013-08-25 05:24 |
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^ I never thought Tsunku was scum, and I don't even think he has the final say in such decisions, as Yamazaki Naoki and others can veto Tsunku anytime they please.
And I do know what an audition is- my point is simply that by holding the audition with the precedent of selecting at least one new member each time, every girl there was led to believe that at least one girl would be chosen, and having a disclaimer in an unread paragraph of a hastily signed bundle of papers does not negate the moral responsibility to follow through on this, even when it becomes inconvenient because ones strategy changes. This effectively punishes the girls for the mistakes of experienced executives.
In other words, a girl could have a voice like Mikitty, a body like Rika, be as cute as early Sayu, dance like Kamei and be able to act and do impressions like Kago and Yossy and she STILL would not have been selected because the decision not to select ANYone was made before the auditions were completed and had nothing to do with the girls, which is legal, yes, but also wrong.
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| takari
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| 2013-08-25 05:30 |
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That's why Tsunku made TNX, unfortunately he didn't have that much funding there.
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| Greyface
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| 2013-08-25 05:43 |
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So, it's settled then. You don't know what you're talking about, and are angry about something that may or may not have happened, on behalf of some people who may or may not have known more than you do.
This has suddenly become the least interesting argument in the history of the internet.
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| Sielunrauha
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| 2013-08-25 15:52 |
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Personally I don't see any point in this Oikaze's "moral obligation from a general understanding" claim. I can't remember ever seeing any statements from Tsunku or any other main people from UFA that would say things like "This audition will, with a certainty of 100%, add at least 1 new person to Morning Musume.".
An immoral thing would be to pass someone through the audition saying that "you have passed and will be joining Morning Musume.!" and then suddenly Tsunku/or whoever main suit from UFA would state that "sorry, we made a mistake and you can't join because we don't feel like you should be joining them". That would be much more immoral than not letting people in the band when the audition ends. They were at least offered to be a part of the Kenshuusei girls which is much better than nothing like anyone should understand.
The auditions never were about getting a surefire way to join, they always have been a CHANCE to get into MM. or in any other H!P's groups, or to be made into a solo artist or Kenshuusei member or whatever.
I myself was kind of surprised when there were news about that there would be 12 gen auditions even though so many new members was just gotten into the band so I though that "hmm okay let's see what's going to happen now, will there be many new members, only one new member or some result that hasn't yet happened in the earlier auditions", and that was the case this time. I think that if Tsunku (or again whoever makes the "real" decisions) really right now didn't feel like adding anyone in the group he most likely has his reasons, I really trust his judgement on these kind of matters, since whoever anyone's favourite members of H!P are, they are/were in H!P because of him, which alone makes Tsunku to be the real heart of H!P.
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| Oikaze
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| 2013-08-25 20:24 |
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^ No, the immoral thing is to break a promise in the first place, whether during or after the auditions. As for the claim that there is a roundabout route for talented girls to get into Momusu even when not immediately selected, that is sometimes true, but as I said, UFA is notorious for neglecting talent, and the Mikitty case clearly shows the mess that can be made by deferring plans in this way, as the whole nature of the group can change and management (especially that guy Naoki, with the face of a frog and a brain to match) can try to fit a square peg through a round hole (force Mikitty to go for "cutesy"). The track record of girls brought into Morning Musume by that route is not good at all, even when they are extremely talented, which is not a reflection on them but a reflection on management treating them as experiments rather than as artists or even as human beings.
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| Arche-JoIyO
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| 2013-08-25 22:55 |
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I love the current lineup, so I'm okay with the results (I did think it was a bit too soon for auditions)
Also, Tsunku did say there was a chance no girls would be chosen. There's nothing immoral about not choosing a winner. I'm happy we aren't getting new girls just for the sake of it.
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| michikodesu
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| 2013-08-26 00:37 |
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I really don't feel sorry for the girls auditioning. Anything can go when auditioning and it is possible that no one will get chosen....which is the case here. That's the risk you take by auditioning.
For those of you who think these girls will be jaded because no one was picked, I suggest you think again. I'm pretty sure that many will think of this as another chance and they'll probably go home and work on what they need to work on. Don't underestimate the tenacity of some of these girls. If they really want to be a part of Morning Musume, then they're going to go after it. Or, if they really want to be an idol, they'll go to other auditions. I mean, look at Cuca. She didn't give up after she wasn't picked. She knows that she needs to work on some things.
Honestly, though, if a girl is defeated about something like this and gives in to disappointment like some of ya'll think, then she doesn't belong in Morning Musume or the idol/entertainment world to begin with.
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| zam
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| 2013-08-26 01:07 |
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Oikaze, the auditionees were not promised a place in Morning Musume. Look at it as a job interview. No company would say "For those who comes to the interview, we promise you a place in the company".
@pige, about forming a rival group for Morning Musume, UFP have already done that. The formation of Up Up Girls and its subsequent exponential climb ( UUG had in 1 year released as many as, or even more singles than, Morning Musume had in their 1st 5 years ) of UUG coincides with Morning Musume going into high gear.
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| thegabriel
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| 2013-08-26 02:57 |
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I'm ok with no new girls added. We can go back and forth about the fairness to the girls auditioning. Where is the fairness to the 4 or 5 current members whom rarely get solo lines if more girls are added? I could be cynical about it because all my top 5 get solo lines, but I want all 10 of them to shine. Remember the Ai-chan and Reina show?
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| TommyKupo
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| 2013-08-26 07:07 |
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Somehow, I expect this would happen...
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| Sielunrauha
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| 2013-08-26 08:41 |
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Oikaze doesn't seem to realize that there haven't never been any kind of promises involved in the auditions like zam tried to explain like I did earlier. I'm not even on the same page about the Miki Fujimoto thing that Oikaze is talking about, since I'm pretty sure that in the long run it was very helpful to Mikitty that she was added to Morning Musume. She was a good solo artist but she also could do very well with other people since she could perform with a bigger group. Also I think that she secretcly seemed to enjoy her own "burikko" moments, at least she definitely never seemed to be stressed about them or anything like that. If she would have been a solo artist there could have been a drop in her popularity which usually happens to solo artists someday, meaning that she probably couldn't even be on the tv programs so often like she nowadays does, so I'd say that she was lucky to get into MM. and not vice versa.
And what comes of the Yamazaki Naoki (the chairman & executive producer of Up-Front Group) statement of Oikaze, I would be daring enough to say that if it's true that he was the original mastermind behind Hello! Project then he most likely is more intelligent than some random frog, and those "he has a frog face" things you can keep to yourself since those kind of matters don't have anything to do with intelligence or talents or anything that is needed in these kind of management works. Dissing people because of their facial or other bodily features can be seen as an immoral thing too you know.
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| rndmnwierd
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| 2013-08-26 10:33 |
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I think it's pretty funny, actually...
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| Kitsuiko
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| 2013-08-26 12:49 |
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...If Miki wasn't having her "Cute" moments then we wouldn't have ever gotten Romantic Ukare Mode. You know, her most famous, popular song. And, why don't we compare Miki Fujimoto's public exposure now to, say, Ayaya and Maki and heck. Even Nacchi. Most of the other people who were in MM and then went solo or just were solo artists of the H!P.
Further, it's not like they can't audition again. They were literally told to audition again. The only way that isn't "fair" Oikaze is if someone was going to pass not because she was reliably good but because she had a series of serendipitous moments that she couldn't possibly ever have again.
I am utterly fine with that girl not getting in to MoMusu.
No one is going "Darn you, company! You lied and tricked me!" because it's not like there were girls who were at the end who were assured to get through. If anything there are more people going "phew, I can work on those things that caused me to not pass" or "I've seen my competition and I have a whole year to improve and beat them". There might be some girls going "I want to be an idol now and this is taking too long" who leave to join utter groups.
I am utterly fine with those girls not getting in to MoMusu. No offense meant to other groups! I just want the idols in my Musume to want to be Musume... not just want fame.
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| Jayde
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| 2013-08-28 14:48 |
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Tsunku did say in the video that he would be more than happy to welcome the girls he saw potential in into the Kenshuusei to get more experience so there's also that option as well. We as a fandom wouldn't have some of our favourite members if it wasn't for the Eggs/Kenshuusei. Great things are coming out of there so it ultimately comes down to the fact that the girls who may take Tsunku up on his offer will get better with practice, lessons and time.
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| Mewchan
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| 2013-09-01 01:11 |
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I'm honestly happy about the fact Tsunku didn't add any new members. I know that it's a horrible thing to do for those who auditioned but I think the current line-up is just fine. I know they're not perfect yet and theres room for improvement but I think if Tsunku keeps on adding new members, the path to perfection is not going to go up.
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