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[Obsidian]

Day 2 #7 (#3 4,289)

 

http://www.oricon.co...s/d/2017-02-08/

 

 

I think they're doing fine ... besides Oricon ...

 

 

^4

Isn't that 2 days (2/6-8) for Billboard ?

 

 

At least it's out in the open how they've decided to squash the Idol groups, the boxset rule is probably the one having most impact of H!P if what was counting as 6 or 7 copies now only count as 2 and those make up a large amount of the pre-orders. I don't think the event counting will have as much of an impact and I can see easier ways to get around it. Anway we know to look at billboard now for a more accurate idea of sales numbers and eventually can compare what they get under the same rules for Oricon.

[taylorniw]

They likely wouldn't have been top 3 these two days even under the old rules.

[honeyharunanfan]

^ ???

We don't know the sales. They were 5th and the 3rd was at 30118. Given what's above and behind them, I can't give any estimation on the 1st day sales.

 

Sorry, I misread that post as them being #3, while they were actually #5, my bad

[sukibeam]

Today's rankings:

 

#1 - NEWS - 10,989

#2 - Idolm@ster - 4,639

#3 - AAA - 2,172

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#4 - Idolm@ster

#5 - Country Girls

[pika_pika]

Did we ever get confirmation that Hoshibe Shou *wasn't* Tsunku behind a pseudonym?  I swear, the more I hear Shou's compositions (or lyrics in other cases) the more it feels like Tsunku.

 

It's funny, that occurred to me too !!!   Like, he just seemed to come from nowhere, just at the time I was missing Tsunku so much !!   

But funny - a few years ago, everyone was wondering - is it really Tsunku writing so many songs or do they just use his name?

Now it's the other way round!!

 

Did you see www.hoshibe.com official site go up?.... it says he's from Touhoku and was born in 1985...

But I've still not seen a picture of him.  Until I've seen them in the same room together .... L :-) w

[Fall]

The only other information I've seen on Hoshibe is that it is someone that learned how to play guitar at twelve, and that Karin has been told it is someone she's met.  Someone should probably start a "Mystery of Hoshibe" general thread at some point, so we can have conspiracy theories like, "but in the Good Boy, Bad Girl PV, the words '5, テレ/ス, SOUND 35, START, 16 SOUND, 10' keep flashing on screen, its gotta be a hint!"

[Obsidian]

Hoshibe joined the agency via the Forest Awards audition.

[sukibeam]

Via Mr. A @ JPLOP

 

Billboard Japan's Weekly Top Singles Sales (2/6~2/12)

57,530 sold
Weekly Rank #2 with

#1: NEWS - EMMA　130,627
#2：Country Girls - Good Boy Bad Girl / Peanut Butter Jelly Love 57,530
#3：Happiness - REWIND 55,987
#4：THE IDOLM@STER CINDERELLA MASTER EVERMORE 48,516
#5：AAA - MAGIC 44,314
http://www.billboard.../detail/47455/2

Country Girls and E-girls sub-unit Happiness battled for #2. Happiness sold 53,452 on the first 3 days but only sold 2,535 for the rest of the week. Country Girls sold 46,550 in the first 3 days and continued to sell an additional 10,980. Country Girls won the battle with a difference of 1,500+ sold.


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Oricon 6th day : stay at #3 with 2,592 sold

[midnightbottle]

Nice to see the sales went up even if it's a double A side. I guess this being Momoko's last single help, but somehow, this doesn't really feel it's her last single. So is this Country Girls' best selling single so far?

[Obsidian]

Oricon weekly ranking is #5 with 29k sold, so we can see a good 5k increase of their last single also under the new rules.

 

http://music-book.jp...ews/news/135627

 

Another way to get some kind of comparison is Angerme's last single sold 31k first week for Oricon. So a decent return with the lower head count in that case.

[patapataful]

Nice billboard sales. I think the real battle begins now, after Momoko…

[IchVermisseDenSommer]

So their sales according to Billboard are really great. I mean eventually the real number is what brings UF the money for future releases not this fictional thing Oricon releases. And sales close to 60k is amazing!

[midnightbottle]

So their sales according to Billboard are really great. I mean eventually the real number is what brings UF the money for future releases not this fictional thing Oricon releases. And sales close to 60k is amazing!

 

True. I think to label, as long as the girls rake in the sales, the ranking doesn't matter. It's the $$ that counts.

[pika_pika]

That Rewind song was also sold in different editions, right? I found it a bit hard to see, but on Amazon.jp there seems to be blue one, a red one, a green one…   so, disqualifying box sets is all well and good, but it seems like it’s too partial, picking on one particular kind of multi-buying, which ultimately could mean - picking on one studio?… so once again, a real botch job.

 

The ratio between Billboard and Oricon scores seems to vary immensely, but what I didn’t expect to see – is sometimes the Oricon figure is actually higher, as clearly happened here with both News, and with the Idolm@ster song…so  what is it that, conversely, Oricon are counting but Billboard aren’t??  (they seem to cover the exact same time period?)

 

Thanks for the info anyway. I’m always very critical of the Oricon Style website – but, isn’t Billboard’s even worse! … it’s going to take some getting used to. Also, I have Oricon stats going back to the late 1980s. With Billboard, I feel like I’ve got nothing.

So if anybody knows the best places to pick up more back data- please say if you can.

 

In the cinema, they just publish grosses. Net incomes are so subject to accounting creativity that you can basically make them say anything you want. So, it’s purely – what £$\ comes in the door. That’s probably got its own problems but starting to think that, the music industry could do a lot worse than just go with that, given the complications it’s facing. It might for instance solve a lot of the problems with what to do with streaming (in the UK, try to include it but in such a half-arsed manner that it totally ruined the charts for the whole year; in Japan – pretend it’s not happening!)… mou..

[Ayumine]

Were the dance shots shared here yet?

[Ares13]

The new Oricon rule does sort of reset the baseline of the counts ..
We are back to the starting point and can only use singles from the effect of the new rule to compare sales with ..

But do note that an improvement on Oricon may not signal an improve in sales but an improvement by the sellers trying to beat the new rule ..
So I would like to compare up their singles from the Billboard sides to get a better view of the performance as they remain constant ..

In other words .. focusing on the ratio of difference between Oricon and Billboard may be useless if the sellers is ever trying or thinking up new ways to score better on Oricon..

So anyone got their comparative for their Billboard results ?

[keaine]

Country Girls are proposing a new type of event: a "good bad old maid". Everything is explained in this video: https://www.youtube....h?v=Wq8s511vEnE

 

If you don't understand Japanese, I'll explain roughly.

 

It will be an interaction between a member and a fan. The member has six cards, shuffles them and then gives three to her and three to the fan. Of course, as in an "old maid" game, there is a joker (ジョーカー) in it. Then, as in an old maid game, the member will pick a card from the fan, and then the fan from the member, etc. until the staff indicates the end of the game. In the mean time, you can of course talk with the member about various things (as in a classic handshake). At the end of the game, if the member has the joker, then you win, and the member gives you a "good" photo (that is a more smiley positive photo), if the fan has the joker, then you lose and the member gives you a "bad" photo (that is a more negative photo). If at the end of the game, the member has four cards and the fan has two, then the fan picks another card from the member and the game really ends (and we are in one of the two cases above).

 

The cards, and particularly the peanut, have been designed by Yamaki.

[Kinjiru]

Lol, the sales for the cheki and maid game ended ages ago, they should have explained this sooner. I guess it's meant for the people who felt adventurous and just bought the maid game ticket without knowing exactly what it was. I commend them for coming up with new things though, this kind of gives people a chance to talk with them without feeling as nervous, since the focus would be on the game.

[MusubuDantotsu]

Here is a vocal extraction version of GBBG:

[msmairtan]

 

cover by eric!!! ft takui