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#1 arwald

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 10:39 AM

“Trying to not hurt others is something you can't do. People are creatures who hurt others just by existing even if they're not aware of it. Whether you're living or dying. you'll always be hurting someone. Once you're involved, you'll hurt someone, and even by not being involved, you might be hurting someone else as well...”

― Wataru Watari

 

 

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The other day I was watching tv-show where announcement about SMAP disbandment was discussed. It was aired the same day the announcement was made. I didn't know that Nakai Masahiro was the eldest among the members and that he was the leader of the group. The very moment I learned it, it flashed through my mind that it was his busy schedule (also Kimura Takuya's maybe) that became a reason for disbandment. It was said on that tv-show that only Nakai wanted to keep the group, Kimura was not sure and three other members wanted to disband the group.

 

Anyhow, I wanted to make a thread where we could discuss interpersonal relationship dynamics in different idol groups. Who hates whom, who loves whom, how does this change over time, etc.

 

Relationship problem is one of the main reasons for Japanese people to quit their jobs and search for other. Also, it's one of the reasons some people move from big cities to rural areas. Of course, there are different tensions at work almost everywhere on Earth, but in case of Japan it's worsened by "senpai-kohai" bonds, "group over person" idea and "the more the pressure the better the result" nurture principle (slowly disappearing, but still present).

 

If you know any obvious example of relationship problems within a group, feel free to share! 

 

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“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.” 
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#2 megumibex

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 11:18 AM

Cool topic

Nagahama Neru and Hirate Yurina of Keyakizaka46 is my favorite relationship between idols. Neru discusses it in the linked interview. It's really cute and heartfelt!

http://keyakizakamat...-issue-nagahama


MM ~ Nonaka Miki, Kaga Kaede ANGERME ~ Sasaki Rikako J=J ~ Takagi Sayuki, Danbara Ruru 

CG ~ Yamaki Risa KF ~ Hamaura Ayano TF~ Kishimoto Yumeno 

KSS - Takase Kurumi, Sato Hikari 

OG ~ Iida Kaori, Suzuki Kanon, Fukuda Kanon, Inaba Manaka, Mitsui Aika, Nakajima Saki

Other Companies ~ Iwase Misaki, Cuca, Nagahama Neru, Maruyama Karin, Khao Kazumaisiri , Suzuka Nakamoto


#3 RenaiHunter

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 08:13 PM

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Here is how I think it goes in Juice=Juice: (it's just my observations)

 

Overall they are close because of their stable lineup. From red to yellow it shows the strength of their individual relationships within the group:

  • Yuka & Tomoko - good friends
  • Yuka & Sayuki - good friends; even tho they had this "baby monkey bullying" they cleared it up that it's just an inside joke. Sayuki has said that her father made a dance room and Yuka would come and practice with Sayuki when she has trouble with the choreography 
  • Yuka & Karin - friends; they don't seem to be that close from what I've noticed, but they are still very friendly between each other
  • Yuka & Akari - best friends; in a self proclaimed relationship, they seem to be hanging out together a lot and when Juice=Juice are on tour and the members stay in hotel Uemuu and Yuka have been taking baths together sometimes
  • Tomoko & Sayuki - best friends; as said by Sayuki they usually go to the train station together after work, they have been visiting each other's homes regularly and apparently Sayuki has spent so much time in Tomoko's house that they set up a room for her.
  • Tomoko & Karin - good friends; the whole "bullying" seem to have make them close, I think Tomoko likes Karin and since she has little sisters she accepts Karin as one 
  • Tomoko & Akari - good friends; when members for Juice=Juice were announced and Tomoko's name was said Akari seemed pretty happy about it. they are most likely still close friends
  • Sayuki & Karin - good friends; probably because of being Kenshuusei together for a long time, I think their relationship is at a very good state
  • Sayuki & Akari - friends; I don't think they are that close, but they seem to be friends
  • Karin & Akari - friends; same as SayuKari


#4 arwald

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 09:06 PM

^ I'm not following Juice=Juice activity, though Karin is visually attractive to me. And now I learn she's "an outcast"? I mean.. not an actual outcast, of course, but other members have bff things and she's like a fifth wheel, lol.

 

Btw, what made other members become best friends? Similar characters, small age gap or it just happened so?

 

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#5 RenaiHunter

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 09:19 PM

Well Karin is a soft version of "lone wolf", it's pretty known. Maybe if Aina stayed they could be bffs within the group. She is very close with Meimi, maybe closer than any of her Juice mates. But it's not like she isn't friends with any of her Juice mates, she looks like she is their little sister, the one they will pick on and then hug her and give her love.

 

I don't know what made the others bffs tbh, in Uemuu and Yuka's case it must be their similar airhead easygoing character. Fan reports stated they are both really loud at hadnshake events.

 

Tomoko and Sayuki I guess just fit each other, I don't know if there is anything specific that brought them together. They probably share the same interests, because both's favorite H!P member is Tanaka Reina and both like Takui's music. 



#6 Zabieru

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Posted 18 August 2016 - 02:06 AM

Yeah I always felt Karin isn't well liked by many of the other members ^ I think it's jealousy!


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#7 Kinjiru

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 07:06 AM

Karin has this whole 'perfect idol' aura thing going on though, so for a lot of people it might be difficult to get close to her since they wouldn't know when she is being genuine or when she's just being polite. It's really hard to get close to someone if you can't tell what they are truly thinking.






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