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#1 sheikhyerbutay

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 03:55 PM

From The Japan Times:  http://www.japantime...s/#.V59g1KKQ-Q9 Education ministry wants more emphasis on English conversation skills.

 

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  • Aug 1, 2016

The education ministry will put more emphasis on conversation skills in teaching English in hopes of producing people who can communicate effectively in the language, according to a draft outline of revised school curriculum guidelines.

The draft includes moving up the starting year for English education to third grade of elementary school from the current fifth.

It says conventional English classes have been placing more emphasis on grammar and vocabulary, suggesting that they should stress teaching appropriate expressions for different situations.

The draft underscores the need for students to learn all English skills — listening, reading, writing and speaking, including conversation and presentation — in a balanced manner.

To achieve this goal, the guidelines will set goals for each skill through elementary, junior high and high school, in line with the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages, or CEFR.

Using the goals set down by the guidelines, schools will establish detailed achievement targets for students.

The draft also suggests that fifth and sixth graders should learn English as a regular subject, with additional reading and writing in current activity-oriented programs for listening and speaking, with the aim of helping children become more accustomed to English.

At the third- and fourth-grade levels, lessons should focus on introducing English.

The draft requests that the changes should not simply bring forward to elementary school students what junior high school students now learn, but new classes should help students nurture a basic command of English by letting students get used to reading and writing in line with their levels.

To keep students from growing to dislike the English language, it is important to encourage them to keep a good attitude in trying to use English, the draft says.

But an elementary school teacher in Shizuoka Prefecture asked, “How many teachers are there who can teach English in a balanced manner, including grammar and pronunciation?”

The ministry plans to proceed with boosting the English education system by using core teachers who are proficient in English and by improving training courses, but teachers are concerned if this will work well when the new curriculum guidelines go into full effect.

 



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 08:40 PM

I guess that's a good move. Chinese and Korean are probably easier to learn for Japanese people, but English is important if you're gonna work outside of Asia.


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Posted 02 August 2016 - 01:14 PM

Yes I agree.  I was thinking it would also provide more employment opportunities for foreign  English teachers to work in Japan.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 05:56 PM

I only wish schools here in the US would start teaching our children new languages so young, we don't start until High School and it's ridiculous! The younger you start the more fluent you'll become, people who start later such as around High School will have a MUCH harder time mastering the language.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:54 AM

I only wish schools here in the US would start teaching our children new languages so young, we don't start until High School and it's ridiculous! The younger you start the more fluent you'll become, people who start later such as around High School will have a MUCH harder time mastering the language.

Really?  Back in the day my middle school offered French & Spanish.  My high school offered, I dunno, something like 6 languages.  I had to learn rudimentary  Latin in college for binomial nomenclature.  At university I was drinking buddies with every Japanese foreign exchange student at O-State.   Every one of them wanted to master English and become American citizens.  It's funny how now the roles  seem to have reversed.

Educators in my state are ever wailing we are one of the most backward hick states in the union.  Yet, we have language immersion elementary schools.  Forgive me if I brag on my community just a little:  My county government offers two years  free college tuition to every student who graduates from our high schools.  My state has one of the foremost free college tuition programs in the nation for disadvantaged high school grads.  (In both cases the student has to pass all entrance requirements, of course.)

 



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 01:29 AM

^^ What state, if you don't mind me asking? I went to elementary schools in both New York and California and neither of them offered any language courses, not my middle school either. I live in sort of a hick/stoner town and my school only offers Spanish and German, and I've often heard my History and German teachers complain that in the US we don't start teaching languages until we've reached High School grade level. In any case I myself have never heard of an elementary school offering language courses in the US, but middle schools as you mention might, I'm not sure. Maybe for Spanish but nothing else. However I think we should start teaching children new languages not at 5th or 3rd grade, but 1st! ^^


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 02:55 AM

I agree about starting in 1st grade, especially if it's a language that's widely used. That might be Spanish in the US (or at least the south of the US) and English where I live. I've got to be honest, I'm not sure when we start with English here. Last official thing I've heard was 3rd grade, but someone told me they already start in 1st grade.

 

A lot has changed in the last 10 years. I remember I didn't start with English until I was 10, then it all went really quickly - Latin with 12, French with 13, Spanish with 14. Honestly, learning 3 Romance languages at once is really confusing ^^; Our Latin teacher was complaining that we read "et" the French way, the Spanish teacher went wild with us using "avec" instead of "con".


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 06:19 AM

should have done this before riho decided to leave the group to learn english  :c18:

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 06:40 AM

I agree about starting in 1st grade, especially if it's a language that's widely used. That might be Spanish in the US (or at least the south of the US) and English where I live. I've got to be honest, I'm not sure when we start with English here. Last official thing I've heard was 3rd grade, but someone told me they already start in 1st grade.

 

A lot has changed in the last 10 years. I remember I didn't start with English until I was 10, then it all went really quickly - Latin with 12, French with 13, Spanish with 14. Honestly, learning 3 Romance languages at once is really confusing ^^; Our Latin teacher was complaining that we read "et" the French way, the Spanish teacher went wild with us using "avec" instead of "con".

Yes that's one of things I envy about European countries, their natives tend to speak better English than we do! And I feel you, sometimes, miraculous as it is, I mix up Spanish and Japanese. If I didn't need the credits I'd focus all my time on one but... sigh.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 01:57 PM

^^ What state, if you don't mind me asking? I went to elementary schools in both New York and California and neither of them offered any language courses, not my middle school either. I live in sort of a hick/stoner town and my school only offers Spanish and German, and I've often heard my History and German teachers complain that in the US we don't start teaching languages until we've reached High School grade level. In any case I myself have never heard of an elementary school offering language courses in the US, but middle schools as you mention might, I'm not sure. Maybe for Spanish but nothing else. However I think we should start teaching children new languages not at 5th or 3rd grade, but 1st! ^^

"Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain."  Oklahoma!  I live in Tulsa.  Spanish is the only language offered in the immersion school.  Statewide, our economy is heavily tied to oil & natural gas.  Oil & natural gas have crashed since the Saudies decided to have a price war......... so there is no telling what we will offer in education this fall.

Tulsa Community College is the school were we pay for two years tuition for all students graduating from our high schools.  There are requirements that have to be met.  Check it out.  ( They offer Japanese, too btw.)
Here is TCC's website:    http://www.tulsacc.edu/  



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 07:07 PM

I just take private courses online to learn Japanese, I use http://www.JapanesePod101.com and it's pretty good! My community college also offers Japanese courses but only for two semesters :P Living in California Spanish is essentially taught in every High School and College but nothing else really, I only wish they taught me Spanish sooner!


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 01:55 PM

I agree about starting in 1st grade, especially if it's a language that's widely used. That might be Spanish in the US (or at least the south of the US) and English where I live. I've got to be honest, I'm not sure when we start with English here. Last official thing I've heard was 3rd grade, but someone told me they already start in 1st grade.

 

A lot has changed in the last 10 years. I remember I didn't start with English until I was 10, then it all went really quickly - Latin with 12, French with 13, Spanish with 14. Honestly, learning 3 Romance languages at once is really confusing ^^; Our Latin teacher was complaining that we read "et" the French way, the Spanish teacher went wild with us using "avec" instead of "con".

A friend started a debate about how silly it is Christians believe in unicorns.   I had to get to the root of the subject.  Yup.  Sure enough unicorns are in the original Bible, and there is nothing wrong in believing in unicorns.  Why?  They were talking about the Indian Rhino  (Rhinoceros unicornis) , not a pony with long horn sticking out it's forehead.  I looked up several passages in the Vulgate (Latin) Bible and was pleased at how much Latin I still retained. :good:     I always thought Latin would make learning any Romance language easy.  Learning all of them at once does sound confusing!

 

I just take private courses online to learn Japanese, I use http://www.JapanesePod101.com and it's pretty good! My community college also offers Japanese courses but only for two semesters :P Living in California Spanish is essentially taught in every High School and College but nothing else really, I only wish they taught me Spanish sooner!

Given California politics are now dominated by the Hispanic vote, I can see how only Spanish is offered in public schools.  That is too bad for there are large Asian communities there too. 

I am learning two languages myself now.  Spanish & Japanese.   There are so many Hispanic immigrants in Tulsa now, I often find myself, and my family, the only native English speakers in many social settings.  Knowing Spanish has now become urgent.  It is time to get fluent. 

 

I checked out your website and signed up for the free lessons.  Thanks!



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 05:53 PM

Yeah no problem, and yes you're right, on top of that my state just passed a law that gave illegal immigrants the right to vote, so unfortunately whatever they says goes. If you live in Torrance the High School's there no doubt offer Japanese courses, my cousin lives in Anaheim and his school offers Mandarin. Unfortunately if you're in a rural, mountainous town like mine Spanish will likely be your only choice. Not that I'm complaining, it's a very useful language to learn.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 09:50 PM

 my state just passed a law that gave illegal immigrants the right to vote, so unfortunately whatever they says goes. 

Unfortunately if you're in a rural, mountainous town like mine Spanish will likely be your only choice.

That is so F'd up!!!!! :angry:

Some of the happiest days of my life were living in a mountainous town in rural California.  Sawyers Bar in Siskiyou County!

Does California still offer free college tuition?

 



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 11:43 PM

 

 my state just passed a law that gave illegal immigrants the right to vote, so unfortunately whatever they says goes. 

Unfortunately if you're in a rural, mountainous town like mine Spanish will likely be your only choice.

That is so F'd up!!!!! :angry:

Some of the happiest days of my life were living in a mountainous town in rural California.  Sawyers Bar in Siskiyou County!

Does California still offer free college tuition?
 

 

Now that is NORTH California alright, never been there myself but I know Shasta is up there and the Redwoods too, it's quite an hours' drive from me as I live around Lake Tahoe. Technically tuition is free here to the state colleges but there are about a million different fees along with books, room, and board! 


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 04:43 PM

Yes, it could be a great idea to ''boost'' the learning of english. I mean, it's such an important language, and plus, it's fun to learn. My first language isn't english, but I learned it really young and now I'm able to talk, read and write in english. It's quite easy to learn english, the grammar is not that difficult compared to french  ^_^


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