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#1 Greyface

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 04:44 PM

Anybody else think that "Country Girls" should be in a different category? There is no official connection to KSS. J=J & S/m were officially created out of KSS (though S/M has had non KSS auditionees join) so I can at least grasp the combination.

It's also going to end up being a just obscenely oversized category. Just counting J=J & S/m it'd be 14, with Country Girls, 20. On top of that all of the un-grouped KSS, it's just a monster thread. Of course the Morning Musume current & former has a ton too, but most of those are minimally active former members. Maybe I'm just being lazy, but that's just a lot of active members in the same place, isn't it?
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Posted 21 November 2014 - 06:48 PM

Yeah, but Country Girls has two former KSS and an official debuted H!P member in it (Yamaki Risa, Inaba Manaka, Tsugunaga Momoko). They really don't need another category. And their category isn't even involved with KSS, it's "Juice=Juice,S/mileage, Country • Girls, SATOYAMA/UMI, and Other". It's basically for any debuted group that's not Morning Musume and is not associated with H!P Kids (C-ute, Berryz). So Country • Girls do fit in that category.

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#3 LoveRice

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 10:25 PM

I feel they fit in both the Morning Musume and KSS category(and also H!P kids LOL).

 

They have 2 debuted KSS in their group + the group being a Country Musume revival + Momochi LOL



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:48 AM

Yes, I'd also like to see a new category. the S/M and other H!P one is getting a bit crowded. And then when the next new group comes along they can be added there, as well.


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#5 Greyface

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:07 AM

Country Girls has fewer former Kenshuu than Morning Musume does. There's no reason to associate with KSS.
But more importantly I didn't notice the category name change. It used to be S/M+ KSS, and when J=J was announced they obviously belonged there. The thread was also a potpourri of minimally active stuff like Satoyama groups. But that's all history now.

So the only argument left is overcrowding, which is maybe just me being lazy...

Hypothetically, I'd think Egg and KSS members unaffiliated with a persistent unit could go together, and maybe another category with Satoyama (groups but not members?) and Country Girls together (kinda depending one what activities CG actually get into (dunno what to do about Tsugunaga)) and a different category for S/m and J=J. But too many categories may be worse than overstuffed categories. So call this spitballing.
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#6 usagi_no_kami

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:09 AM

Why not throw them in with the Berryz/C-ute/Buono! forum.

Berryz will be inactive soon, and you could make the case that they'd fit as they technically are a "legacy" group that has just been revived.

Plus, even with two currently active groups, the forum sees little action.

Plus, with Momoko in the group, there actually is a relevant link.



#7 Greyface

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:16 AM

^
That certainly DOES solve the Tsugunaga problem! :D
Unless Berryz is slated for "demotion" to the former groups/members category. ;-(
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:23 AM

^ It's possible, but the Morning Musume forum still has groups like W, Tanpopo, and Pucchi Moni there so there's really no need to move Berryz since they're still part of the H!P Kids legacy.

And with Momo being in a "managerial" position as well as likely a member, it doesn't make much sense to have the other members separated from her since it's pretty much a given that topics will have shared relevance between Momo and the other members of Country.Girls.... so it makes much more sense for them to actually share a forum.

At least that's my reasoning. :P



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:49 AM

I'd say leave it as it is until another group comes along then it'll probably make sense to group just S/m and Ju=Ju together and the CG plus Imagined group. At the moment all active members easily fit on one page for that category.

 

The topics currently go MM-49 Kids-22 KSS-48 Others-39 Former-46 NGP-25. The more pressing issue is for active KSS, loads of them are pushed on to the second page and there's unfortunately an ever increasing list of non-debuting former members that really would make more sense being in that former groups/soloists thread maybe as a sub category. Also does NGP really need to be category by itself when UUGs, Kikka etc are out in the Official members general thread? either add them to a new Up Front group thread with NGP or have NGP as a sub-category of the official members thread maybe.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:44 PM

Here's what I think:

 

The current category should be split into two:

 

-One for S/mileage (+Lilpri) and Juice=Juice. These two share a connection because they were both groups created within Kenshuusei that debuted into main groups. Kind of like the Berryz, C-ute, Buono! category which was created from H!P Kids who debuted into main groups. It just makes sense... :D

-One for Country Girls and others. Country Girls fits best here because they're really the wild card of H!P groups - they have connections to nearly every section without completely fitting into those sections, kind of like the SATOYAMA units.

 

Also, just another suggestion here, if there is a Country Girls and others category, maybe we could move the Country Musume thread into that section? Like someone said before, the Morning Musume section has threads like W which are a former group but still have a direct association with a current group. And having Country Girls and Country Musume be separate is okay, but being in two completely different places is just confusing to me, since they're technically the same group.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:14 AM

As far as current structure goes, they are in the right place. Currently the H!P group & members section is divided in three subforum: MM, Kids, and 'the others'. They don't fit the first two, so they are in the third group.

'The others' just happen to have Eggs as majority, but as fas as I know it was never just for Eggs debutants.

(There was the time when Egg folowers called the Admins to make a 'hatchlings' sub-forum, basically a subforum for all Egg debutants, but it was never materialized.)

I agree though that the forum is getting bloated now, so yeah, the forum need solution for that.
I think the way the members forum is structured needs a rethink to cope with this problem, but whatever it is, I suspect it's going to be drastic, and I know most people don't like changes. =/ So I guess the most convenient solution would be making new subforum and divide the group/members by whatever criteria makes the most sense.



#12 Ares13

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:36 AM

lol .. do you guys know that early when S/mileage officially become a main group of H!P ...
they were place in the same category as Berryz and C-ute ..
subseqently .. it was change .. I am not sure why .. but I think its over-crowding .. clicking into that category gives a terrible lag at times ..

with Berryz going into hiatus .. I think that category is going to be very dormant .. and with Momoko in Counrty Girls .. I would support them moving to the Berryz and C-ute side of the category ..
but personally ... I am a bigger fan of J=J S/M and CG .. so it easier for me to just camp 1 category though .. :P

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 01:33 PM

The sub-forums are fine as they are, I'll think about it again when there's new main group.


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