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[☆RisaReinaSayu☆]

The good:

-Umechan, Suuchan, Ayarin, & Reinyan might be selected for Senbatsu where they're going.
-Girls with concurrent positions might be stretched thin and opt for graduation from the exhaustion effectively getting rid of some of the over-pushed members.
-Members who were "wilted flowers" but recieved no transfer to a new group despite there being room to extend the teams of HKT or even form team T will have a much better perspective on their worth in management and Aki-p's eyes and finally decide to graduate.

The bad:

-Concurrent positions for over-pushed members left and right. When will management and Aki-p stop barking up the same trees?
-Not enough full transfers.

[minaeshi]

More thoughts on this~

 

Overall: Personally, I'm glad that management disregarded the characters of every team and completely changed it. They said they were going back to basics, so keeping the same dynamics of each group would be contradicting that. The brought it back to basics by putting most of the AKB girls back into their original teams, then shuffled the rest like mad. Some girls who were, lest's say really good at variety, but had to sit out because someone else in her team was better, can now go full speed ahead and take on that type of girl in another team. This shuffle will be good for the girls to find a new character for themselves to make them stand out from the rest. 

 

AKB:  I'm glad Takamina is back to being a leader. It didn't make sense to me for her to be a GM but not a captain of any team. This is a plus plus because we can have a experienced captain while looking for someone who could be a potential co-captain for when takamina leaves and komariko takes leader position. I know a lot of Mayu fans are peeved about her going back to team B as if she wasn't goof enough for the "all stars team A", but she's like Yuki or Yuko. She's so popular that even if she was in NMB team BII, she would still be top 5 in senbatsu. It doesn't matter where they put her honestly. And people who went to the the screenings said she was generally happy to be back in her original team.  Paruru being in team A with Kawaei makes it more of a competition for them than it ever was (and makes it easier for me haha). Glad to see Nyan back in the team. It's going to be hard for me to find my favorite teams but I feel like it will be team A and K (like my first original favorites). 

 

SKE: SO GLAD THE DIDN'T TRANSFER JURINA TO K PERMANENTLY. I love that they moved Milky to S. She seemed comfortable being in team B, and that's something that made her seem more boring to me. She didn't need to break out of her shell because the shell fit her perfectly. Being in Team S means a totally new beginning and maybe she can sprinkle a bit of her cuteness on Team S   I was surprised at Rena but she looks like she will be fine in N46. Yamada will surely get more exposure now that she's not only a captain for team M, but a member of a sister group too! 

 

NMB: Yuki being put into NMB team N is a smart move for management and her. She can easily make more eyes focus on NMB while increasing their handshake events and single sales which will be good for them overall, but then She herself can gain more fans in the Osaka region, which could in turn make her have more of a chance in getting back into the top 3 senbatsu girls. I love that Milky got moved to BII, It's like when Rena moved to E. BII was lacking a center role tbh and It's good to have centers for each team. Miorin! This is great for her, she wasn't getting very far in AKB so the full transfer was needed. Glad that Jo is back, hopefully management won't push her too much.

 

One thing that i'm curious about is how the senbatsu singles are going to look like. I have too theories. Concurrent aces like Sayanee and Jurina represent their sister group because team K has Yui and Mako. Or that management moved them so that they can make senbatsu singles a AKB member only single, which might be why Sayanee, Jurina, Harrupi got transferred and why Milky and Rena got sent to N46 and SKE? Either way I'm super excited about this ^^ 

[Krusha]

My take on Takamina being both a General Manager and a captain is that it's a little bit unfair to Komari now, when she was the GM when Marikosama was captain, and when Yuihan was captain. I am quite sure she was looked up to as a member and a leader by the other girls just as much, but by occupying two spots at the same time, it means for Komari that she doesn't get to be full captain - something I think she really deserves. I'm not saying Takamina cannot be a good captain, though. She's been one of the best captains ever, in 48G. But would be cool to see Komari get her moment.

In terms of senbatsu, I think it just got infinitely harder for girls who are AKB48 girls and are still in AKB48, to make senbatsu. Girls moved to AKB48 that now cannot be in the lineups of their former groups: Chori, Yuria, and Maachun. The concurrency girls: Nao, Sakura, Fuuchan, Haruppi, Mariyannu, Jurina, Sayanee, Ikoma, Yukirin, Mio, Ripopo, and Shibuya. Of these girls I think Yuria and possibly Maachun has the biggest shot at making AKB48 senbatsu. Of the concurrency girls the obvious ones are Jurina and Yukirin. But Sakura, Sayanee and Mio has a big possibility at the same. The joker here is Ikoma, because she's from an entirely different group. I have no idea, but I see it as possible.

Knowing that sister groups have put the AKB48 members who served as concurrent member in their respective sister groups, into senbatsu, is one thing, but now we have many more girls. There's concurrency memberships and there's transfers. Will all of these girls be guaranteed a spot in senbatsu? If so, it just got much harder for the original members to make senbatsu there as well.

Edit: And to add, in terms of concurrency and transfer members of the sister groups:

- SKE48
Transfer: Karen, Ranran, Minarun, Yuurin, Suuchan, Marika
Concurrency: Boss, Sae, Milky, Nana

- NMB48
Transfer: Ayarin, Reinyan, Miorin, Umechan,
Concurrency: Yukirin, Aanya, Churi, Shibuya, Milky

- HKT
Transfer: N/A
Concurrency: Non, Boss, Aanya, Haruppi, Mio, Sakura

I think Minarun, Sae, Milky and Nana have a shot at SKE48 senbatsu. Marika and Suuchan less, but still possible. I do hope for it.

With NMB48, Miorin should have a good chance as she's already established there like Minarun in SKE48, but other than her Yukirin, Aanya, and Churi, with the obvious choices in Shibuya and Milky.

In HKT48 Non has a great shot as she's the only "foreign" member, and as for the original members I think they're all good to go for senbatsu.

Will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

[True_Beginner]

I've come around to how balanced a lot of the teams are now. I'm probably not the only person who will end up liking a different team, or maybe more teams than before. This shuffle really made use of many popular members by spreading them over different sister groups, and I didn't realize the 48-group really does have a lot of big members in it. I'm not sure many of these girls in waiting were going to get their chance with this kind of competition hanging around.

 

Aki-P is trying to make the franchise stay relevant by popular opinion, but developing groups exclusively on their own and giving girls within each one their own chance at senbatsu is something that will return eventually I think, or somewhat at least. These concurrencies can't last forever, if anything, they're holding the teams/groups up with this idea so that they are all working together, while also adding an all-star sheen to them I guess. This sort of unifies fans instead of pitting them against each other, while raising interest in following favorite team members performing with other groups.

 

Overall, maybe by adding popular members to each team and developing the members as specialists within each one, it will be something that allows a lot of these girls to stand on their own and shine where they are needed most. This is probably the best way to deal with the amount of members we have in every group, since managing how many members there are in each one probably isn't ideal enough for each girl, if they want an opportunity with their particular type of talents. 

[JennyInTokyo]

Even if the shuffle has disappointed and peed some people off I think the shuffle is good for the girls. They may have to start working with other members they haven't really worked with before but it pushes the girls boundaries to get them comfortable to work with different types of people.

[Yunku1990]

Well apparently ayarin and karen are staying in team a, team a is now 24 members.
Dont mind me
Ill just be in the corner
With a crushed heart
(Shes never going to get pushed in a team like this T^T)

[Krusha]

(Kenkyuusei, not kenshuusei)

But, this brings up a good deal of questions:

The teams now will be somewhat uneven. Not to mention some teams will be more crowded than others. I assume that they are still using the 16 members model in stage performances, and with 24 members in a team, that's 8 girls who will not be able to perform. Sure, some senior members may be away often due to other work, and thus the 8 number is lowered, but still, there will only be 16 girls on the stage. It's bound to be hard for some girls to get their time.

And how can they guarantee they will be pushed now later on, if they reject this "opportunity"? I'm not saying I think it's necessarily great to be moved from one group to another, but perhaps management sees this as a "lack of appreciation". So, how many doors of opportunity will open up for these girls later on?

Edit:

Lineups as of now (some changes, Micha for example out of Team K and into Team B ): http://ameblo.jp/aki...1783156076.html

Refreshing the Daisokaku pages also reveals the new lineups there.

[True_Beginner]

So the girls got to stay in their respective teams then?

[Krusha]

The ones who objected yes. And Micha goes to Team B.

[Yurin_chann]

speechless........

[minaeshi]

I see this as a bad move for them.. I understand how they might feel, but Management probably don't, and after this I doubt they will give these girls another chance in the future and leave them to drift off into the "unknown girls" forever or until graduation cough jo eriko cough 

[Krusha]

That's the risk here. Although, it doesn't have to happen, but look at Team A as an example now, with 24 members. While this is just the opinion of a fan, it is based on current popularity, and it shows how difficult it will be:

"Revised edition:

Shimazaki Haruka
Kawaei Rina
Takahashi Minami
Kojima Haruna

－－－－（↑Established as unit center）－－－－

Iriyama Anna
Furuhata Nao
Yagura Fuuko
Miyawaki Sakura

－－－－（↑Struggle for unit center）－－－－

Muto Tomu
Nakamura Mariko
Nakanishi Chiyori

－－－－（↑Starting member determined）－－－－ （↓After 5 from here）

Nakata Chisato
Kikuchi Ayaka
Maeda Ami
Matsui Sakiko
Katayama Haruka

Kojima Natsuki
Morikawa Ayaka
Iwata Karen
Fujita Nana

－－－－(↓For the time being, out of lineup?)－－－－

Ichikawa Manami
Tatsuya Makiho
Takita Kayoko
Nishiyama Rena

－－－－（↑Starting lineup struggle）－－－－"


With regards to those on the bottom, these are two 15th gen members who are recently promoted, plus the two draft members. Their position in the team will be established by popularity, so perhaps it's too soon to judge those 4.

[Ares13]

OMG .. you can't imagine the amount of emo case I am looking at after the shuffle ..
well .. I am trying to stay low in this high emotionally charge times.. I already accidentally step a few tails ..

to me .. its just interesting to see how it goes .. I think some fandom may reset or change ..
I would like to see the senbatsu election result in time ..
The direction of pushing by the management is pretty going to be pretty obvious .. but the fans ain't robotic and so fan reaction to popularity is going to be uncertain ..

[pink-ku]

Translated Karen Iwata G+ on the rejection:

http://migikata48.tu...ruary-27th-2014


Translated Yurina Takashima G+:

http://migikata48.tu...ogle-27-02-2014

[minaeshi]

Due to the members declining their transfers, the AKB4 teams lineup is like this ~

 

Team A - 24

Team K - 21

Team B - 24

Team 4 - 23

 

I don't know whether management want to keep the lineup's equal, but If so, I think the should move any girl from team A and B into team K. 

[True_Beginner]

Another question to all this would be how management handles SKE and NMB, do they fill the spots that aren't taken or just promote someone instead?

[Krusha]

Teams need to be 16 to perform in a stage, and this is the number that has always been used, but recently the limitation to members of a team was lifted, and since all teams are above 16, there's no need to do anything. Certainly they could promote someone, and I can think of several that would deserve it, but perhaps they won't "rush-promote" a girl.

[droopy10]

I understand why Karen and Yurina decided not to transfer to SKE48 but it will put them at a disadvantage in terms of performing. Hopefully they will continue to get pushed on AKBingo and their other variety shows. Since they are still young chances will probably come their way again.

 

On the other hand, Ayarin probably should have accepted the transfer to Team N. I think most of us would agree that she has a better chance to get into a NMB48 senbatsu and/or be a center for a unit stage song in Team N than Team A.

 

I also don't understand why Yuipon and Micha refused to transfer Teams in their respective groups. The teams have completely changed so it is not like they are going to be staying in their team as they currently are.

[Krusha]

As I posted in the Micha thread now, she has announced her graduation. It's unrelated to the shuffle, so that's why it was pointless to have her move to Team K.

Yuipon's refusal is a little strange to me in a way. Though I suppose she likes her original team, but she's still within the same group if she went to Team BII.