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[Shinyun226]

Well I've been in a real Zelda mood lately and I realized there isn't a thread for this here so... anywayzzz

The Legend of Zelda (THE HYRULE FANTASY ゼルダの伝説) was released in 1986 for Famicom/NES and was truly groundbreaking game. With it's huge world, mazelike dungeons, large inventory of items and hordes of enemies it was an epic adventure unlike anything else at the time. Due to it's success a sequel was made the following year, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (ゼルダの伝説 (パート) 2 リンクの冒険), which was much more RPG like (and more challenging in many regards) than it's predecessor. The series soon returned back to it's roots though when the acclaimed The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース) was released in 1991 for SFC/SNES and Link's Awakening on GB after that. Then in 1998 Ocarina of Time was released on N64 and the series truly became legendary with the games raving reviews and massive sales.

Over the years many more titles, all of them excellent, were released on nintendo's consoles and handhelds.

Anyways who else likes the zelda series? Share your thoughts, fandom and timeline theories (I'll be posting my timeline theory in the near future as I've recently come to a few realizations that forced me to rework my entire theory).

[ReiNa.than]

I too love the Zelda series. Ocarina of Time is one of my favourite games.

The ones I've beaten are Link to the Past, Ocarina, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess (plus the handheld ones, except Minish Cap)

Ocarina was one of the most exciting games to get. It was the first Zelda I got at launch, so I have the best memories with it. (I was only 9 at the time)

When Majoras came out, I played up until the save point before the first temple, and I ended my session. I don't know why, but I turned it back on just to check if it saved and where I started out from the save, but I turned it off without saving again. Next time I turned it on, I was back at the main town, and I was quite discouraged. Ever since then I can't get into the game, lol.

I also loved Links Awakening, Seasons and Ages.
I played through Phantom Hourglass, but I thought it was a little boring. It got better reviews and praise than I thought it deserved. Nothing memorable about that game at all for me, beside the controls which worked very well.

Now awaiting Spirit Tracks for DS, and the next Zelda Wii Also apparently the next Wii Zelda will be Motion + only. Can't wait!

[Kuroki Pyon]

I always wanted to play it but have never played any game from this series.
Only Ocarina of Time a little

[captainepic]

I'm not much of a fan of the Zelda games, although I do like the SNES One (Link to the Past?) that's a good game. I don't like Ocarina of time though Link to Past is probably the only one I like in the whole series. I guess they just aren't my sort of game

[adrasta]

OOOhh yeah I love the Zelda games though I can't say I have played them all.
I have passed Ocarina of time soo many times! Majoras mask I liked but its a bit harder for me coz I keep forgetting things since working gets in the way of playing continuosly.. also the scary moon put me off at first . finished wind waker and also twilight princess for wii all so muh fun with great stories and so much to do

I want the older games still though

[Evening Musuko]

I love Zelda! The 3d ones are a little easy, especially Twilight princess, but I still like them.

I'm actually playing through OoT time now... for the 10th time. I'm playing it in Japanese though just for the hell of it.

[ダコタ！]

I'm still playing Ocarina of Time on my Wii. I beat the game easily as a child, having trouble with it now at 15... what the hell is happening to me?

I'm at the part where Death Mountain has the ominous cloud overhead, just finished gathering all 10 Big Poes today for the last empty bottle of the game.

I have Twilight Princess now, but I'm saving it until I beat my other games. I hate leaving a bunch of games unfinished to start a new one.

[impou]

I like Zelda too! I played on gameboy and then last year I discovered the game on the DS I think it's a very good game! You must write, and speak, and blow... But I found it easier than the old games (or maybe it's because I'm better )

[ダコタ！]

I beat Ocarina of Time today on my Wii, got it via Virtual Console.
Now I'm on to Majora's Mask

What I like about Zelda the most is the music. The Song of Storms from OoT is so awesome, and the in-game music gets better for me all the time, with each new game. The in0game worlds are also amazing, all the diverse races like Hylian, Gerudo, Zora... it makes the game more diverse, and to me that makes it all the more enjoyable.

[DaiShuryou]

It's time to revive this thread and to start talking about real stuff like the Timeline and so on.

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So Demise was the origin of all evil in the Zelda series. He is the Satan of the Zelda Universe and he cursed Link and Zelda, that he will always be reborn like them.
As we all know, Demise will be reborn as Ganondorf, but when Ganondorf started his search for the Triforce he had good intentions. He wanted to save his people from dying in the desert.
So how can Demise, who was pure evil, be reborn as someone, who felt love for his kind? I think that this is kinda interresting, because that makes Demise's re-incarnation very different from his real incarnation, while Link and Zelda didn't changed that much.
What do you guys think about it? And how do you like this reveal that The Legend of Zelda is essentially the eternal battle between the goddess Hylia and the demon god Demise instead of the battle between the 3 individuals chosen by the gods?

[Snipey]

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Ganondorf has always been evil, his whole intention was to rule the world of Hyrule. Him wanting the triforce was to help him acquire the power he needed to control everything, Nabooru had hated him from the start and everything about his intention which could lead to us knowing that he wasn't really thinking of his people but rather himself. He probably wanted to make his people the highest of the ranks so that he would really be highly looked upon.

About the whole battle between the chosen ones. If you remember when Zelda (talking as Hylia) talks to Link about how sorry she is to bring him into all this, it's probably because the Goddess Hylia chose Zelda because she saw fit in her pureness and her wisdom and link for his couragesness and also probably for just being the most closest to Zelda they seemed to have fit into the story like a puzzle. I'd say the battle started with Hylia and Demise but with the different re-incarnations of the 3 , each link and zelda will always be fighting against whatever demise or ganondorf they have during their time.

[DaiShuryou]

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Are you sure about that? Because as far as I recall Ganondorf said in WW that the desert just gave death to his people at night and the life in Hyrule was different.
From my understanding, he got sick of seeing his people dying, so he went for a quest to find the Triforce. During this quest, he got obsessed with power, like Demise once did.
At that point Ganondorf was pure evil, because he didn't cared about his people anymore, after he touched the Triforce. But in WW he seems some kind of "sorry" for that or why else should he mention his dying people?
So I think that Ganondorf is the classic villian who started his search with good intentions, but then he became corrupted by his own greed.

What do you mean with that Hylia chose Zelda? Hylia IS Zelda from the very beginning, so if Zelda is pure, Hylia is too, because they are both the same.
But there's one thing in SS that is kinda confusing, because Fi said at one time in the game that Link got the "Hero's Spirit", but who was that spirit?
What do you think of Groose? He was awesome, wasn't he?
Now that I think about it, Ganondorf died in WW, right? Could Malladus from Spirit Tracks then be Demise's new re-incarnation?

BTW, it seems that the Timeline will be revealed tomorrow, because a Zelda book by Nintendo called "Hyrule Hystoria" will be released and the first scans already show a Timeline part.
That's quit HUGE news, because I never expected that Nintendo would ever reveal the official Timeline.

[Snipey]

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He may have said that the desert gave death to his people but that could also mean that his people meaning the tribe that he was from was nothing to the Hyrulians and just known as thieves. My thoughts are that since he was the leader of his tribe he wanted to have power so that he could rule everyone, perhaps so his people could have a good life but for me I've always thought that he was evil and his true intentions were to just rule not just his people but the whole world. I mean in Ocarina of Time when you first meet Zelda she tells you that she the other part of her prophecy or dream she had was covered in dark clouds , she believed it symbolized Ganondorf. In WW he was a lot more mature than he was in OoT, I feel like his probably regretted to thinking more of his people than himself.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, Hylia was the goddess who fought with Demise and though she had imprisoned him she had many injuries and also knew that the seal would not hold forever. So she stripped her divine form and transferred her soul into a mortal, that being Zelda , as she says I am the goddess reborn. She has done this so that the triforce could be used to help the "mortals" if any evil was to come again.
The talk about the hero's spirit, I suppose the goddess forsore that Link (in SS) would grow up to be a courageous, strong and full of wisdom young man which is why rather than like the OOT Link who only possessed the triforce of courage on his hand, the SS link had all three meaning he had the unbreakable spirit to control the power of the whole triforce and banish the evil.
As Demise was the first kind of "evil" he cursed Link and everyone really, whoever has the Goddess' blood (Zelda's bloodline) and the Hero's spirit so either Link's descendants or just a child or adult who has a spirit of a hero such as the WW link , wherever they will be there will always be an incarnation of his evil. Whatever form, either Ganon/Ganondorf, Malladus, Vaati etc. So yeah Malladus was also a different re-incarnation of Demise. The evil will always live on just as the goodness of the destined Zelda and Link.


Groose? Haha I loved him, he was so cool I mean his character during the beginning was a jerk but he ended up doing so much to help Link and Impa. I think he was cool

WHAT?? Seriously like an actual timeline?!!! Nintendo better not be messing here, I hope it's true and that we'll get an English version. I'd definitely buy that!!!

[JuulChii]

Like a timeline of the chronologic order of the games?
I don't really get it, all games are different of the others right? Maybe except Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

[Snipey]

^ Yep chronologically so that it would all flow into a sort of big story. E.g Like you said Oot and MM are connected so within the "timeline" Oot would come before Majoras mask but what comes before Oot and what comes after majorask mas, fans have speculated many theories into which game comes first "story wise" and why certain things happened etc. Seeing as nintendo has confirmed Skyword Sword ot be the first in the timeline it would be interesting to see how the rest fit into this all.

Hopefully this book will clear it for us all.

[DaiShuryou]

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Now I see where you're coming from. I really like your theories, because you also put a lot of thought into this stuff. I never expected to meet someone else like me in this forum
So you think that guys like Vaati are also a re-incarnation of Demise, or Demise's evil? Well, so what about FSA then? There a new Ganondorf appeared, helped Vaati to escape and then he used him for his own evil intentions.
For me it doesn't look like that Vaati is a incarnation of Demise's evil, because why should one re-incarnation of his evil use the other? That would be a little bit strange and at the end Zelda even says about Ganon "Ancient Demon Reborn".
So I think that Vaati is not a incarnation of his evil, but this new Ganon is. That's also a part why I hate TP sometimes. After OoT, the FSA game was the perfect alternate origin how Ganondorf turned into Ganon without having Link pulling the Master Sword.
Everything fitted together nicely, but then TP came and claimed itself to be the real child timeline sequel to OoT and all of a sudden the FSA Ganondorf became another incarnation.
But I still like your theory very much, because I never thought about that all the bad guys were incarnations of Demise's curse before.
But when I look at this curse I have to say that Link screwed way up LOL When he made his wish to the Triforce to kill Demise he made the mistake that he only wished for Demise's death, instead of Demise and all his minions.
Would Link had wished something like that, there never would had been a curse placed on him and Zelda, that screwhead
And do you noticed the symbols of the Sage's in the Temple of Hylia? So there must had been sages before Demise invaded the old kingdom. I wonder what this old kingdom looked like and what it was called.

Oh yeah, I really loved him too. And it was very cute how he was alwasys worried about the old Impa. Thanks to him, the ending with Impa dying was quit sad.
Groose and Ghirahim were the best characters in the game, too bad Demise didn't got such a great character development as Ghirahim did.
Do you liked Ghirahim? Everytime when he was laughing I thought "Freezer, it's so good to hear your voice in The Legend of Zelda"

Yeah it's true, all Zelda fansites are going crazy about this book right now. I hope it really is the chronological Timeline and that Nintendo didn't screwed it up.
There should be a translation of this Timeline by the weekend, because there are enough Zelda fans with Japanese skills who just wait for the scans to translate it.
This book even has artworks, concept designs etc. from every Zelda game, it must be one hell of a epic book.


@JuulChii

Well, there is a chronological order to the games. I don't know how far you are with TP now, but as soon as you reached a curtain part of the game, you will see it's clear connections to OoT.
It also has a lot of connections to SS, like the heroe's clothes, which were worn by SS Link a long time ago.

BTW, what does your guys Timeline looks like?

[Snipey]

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Haha thanks, though I don't know a lot , I just read a lot from other people's theories and the storylines of the games and try to base it on those. My love for Zelda games was triggered by SkywardSword, and just recently I bought Oot for 3DS .

Ah wait you could actually be right about Vaati, you wouldn't really clasify him as a re-incarnation seeing as how he was good before but possibly the evil of Demise had encouraged him to become an evil person. So he wouldn't be the actual evil re-incarnation but more so the evil being of that age of Link and Zelda.

Out of the FSA, I've only played Minish cap so I can't really say much about it as I don't fully know but what you say about Ganon yeah it is confusing , I mean I've always though the Ganondorf for TP was the OoT Ganondorf. He could be the same one but over the years he was trapped by the Oot Link. But it doesn't make sense of how this whole timeline issue goes, I mean Oot when you defeat Ganon and Zelda takes youback to the past so you can get your 7 years back that you missed, when he told Zelda what happened was that how Ganondorf was caught and trapped? Which could lead to TP or was it the "adult timeline" as most people say in how Link continued his life in the future and somehow Windwaker storyline was carried on from there.
It's confusing because you don't really know where Ganondorf comes into all this for each of the games.

Haha yeah silly Link, but oh well Link has known to be quite naive in someways, I thought it was pretty epic though finally using the triforce but it was so annoying having to actually complete the Sky Keep what with all the floor levels.
There have been ancient sages mentioned before, they're the ones who had created the master sword, maybe they died before Demise did? But they reappear in TP and were the ones who had tried to put Ganondorf on trial but he escaped.

It's all too much isn't it


I almost cried so many times during the heartfelt cutscenes, especially when Impa died. Grannie T_T
I would have to agree with you on that, Groose and Ghirahim, especially Ghirahim seriously he was so crazy, flamboyant and though he was evil he still had some "gentlemen" like qualities as he doesn't kill you straight aay or the fact that he shows mercy on Link because he is a human. I think his character had the most emotion, it was always fun having to meet him
It's a shame Demise didn't get much of a chance to shine, though his appearance was amazing I mean he looked like Akuma from street fighter. I seriously think they should have made his battle longer and harder but overall it was awesome.
Still....I wish Ghirahim didn't have to die .

Btw this is awesome!

Cool! I'm definitely going to look out for that, though I'd love to buy a copy of my own seeing as it has a lot of drawings.

[JuulChii]

I'm playing Twilight Princess for my thrid time (on hold for skyward ) But never saw the connection with Ocarina of Time Where??

[DaiShuryou]

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Well, you enter the Temple of Time which is in ruins during TP's time, in Lake Hylia you see a photo of OoT's fisherman on a wall, you see what happened to Ganondorf after Link told Zelda in OoT what will happen in the future etc.
It is the direct sequel of OoT and the light spirits even talk about a hero from a long time ago and they give Link the clothes of that hero. This hero from long ago was SS Link, because OoT Link never became a hero in the Child Timeline.

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I bought OoT for the 3DS too But I'm still too busy with collecting the last few heart pieces in Skyward Sword, they are quit hard to find lol

The TP Ganondorf is the same one as the OoT one. As you already said, Link went back to his childhood in OoT, where he met Zelda again for the first time. Then he told her everything what happened in the future and Ganondorf get caught for his betrayal.
That's why we see the sage's in TP, who try to kill Ganondorf who received the death judgement for his betrayal. WW takes place in the Adult Timeline, because the game clearly said that Ganondorf broke out from his SEAL and he only got sealed in OoT's future.
TP Ganondorf was never sealed, just caught and trapped, so it is the sequel to OoT's story. And many people also believe that the skeleton warrior, who teaches Link a lot about fighting in TP, is in fact the OoT Link.

Yeah, the Sky Keep was kinda annoying, I hated that dungeon
But didn't SS clearly showed that Link created the Master Sword instead of some sages? Maybe they created the holy flames or they just made the Goddess Sword (which changes later to the Master Sword) and after hundreds of years the events got mixed up and people start to believe that the sages made the Master Sword. Yeah, the TP sages are quit confusing. In OoT Link has to awaken all the sages and I bet that Ganondorf's trial was not too long after OoT's Child Ending, so maybe the TP sage's were the same guys we awoke in OoT?
I know that they looked very different, but Ganondorf KILLED one of them and Nintendo never really showed real violence in the Zelda games, so maybe they gave them this strange look to make this kill scene not too brutal?
Because if they are in fact the OoT sages, the one who was killed by Ganondorf would be Princess Ruto.

Did Ghirahim really dies in the end? I don't remember seeing Demise's sword turning to ashes too.

LOL that video is fantastic

[DaiShuryou]

It seems that a Japanese person shared the Timeline information from the book with a few websites.
BUT, this person hasn't provided any scans yet, so everything could be fake afterall. But according to this person, the Timeline fro mthe book looks like this:

　　ムジュラ→トワプリ→4剣＋
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スカウォ→ぼうし→4剣→時オカ→神トラ→木の実→夢島→初代→リン冒
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　　　　　　　　　　　　　タクト→砂時計→汽笛

So after SS comes Minish Cap, then Four Swords and then Ocarina of Time. And there are not just 2 Splits in Ocarina of Time, but 3 Splits!!!!
WTF? That doesn't make any sense and FSA is after TP but in a different Timeline than ALTTP? That's just stupid, because you visit in FSA a lot of places which are just ruins in ALTTP, so it has to be it's prequel.
This Timeline is very confusing, I hope that book scans with the explanations will appear soon, so that I can understand where that third split comes from.